What's the point of this trilogy?

Luke lost because he radically misjudged the situation. He thought he could waltz in as the hero, fight the villain, and save his friends. He was wrong. Kylo lost because he too radically misjudged the situation. He thought the scavenger girl was leagues beneath him and an easy win. He was also wrong.

All we know is that it’s a skill we’ve seen Jedi use. Not what training is involved. I agree it could have been presented better considering its specificity, but that doesn’t put it outside the realm of feasibility since we don’t even really know.

Good. Our new hero succeeded in a way her predecessors didn’t. She exceeded them. She grew beyond them. Wasn’t that the goal?

Luke’s victory in ROTJ isn’t simply ‘defeating the Emperor’, it’s saving his father. It’s doing what the previous Jedi thought was impossible. It was him surpassing what came before. Doing what they couldn’t. That’s a good thing in my book . . . . . . . . . but then maybe my book kinda sucks

 

No "all the Jedi" resisted Sidious and help him destroy himself.

But that's not in the movie. And what they meant was that she would have died if Ben had not given his life. to save her. So she still cheated death.

It should be no surprise. Movie studios are hesitant to unambiguously depict "resurrection". They're always either metaphorical or they leave enough doubt as to whether the resurrectee was really dead or just mostly dead. There are always layers added.

 

I wonder if she would have been more charming if her youth was spent around her loving Grandfather, instead of with Uncle Unkar.

 

What was?

 

The mind probe Kylo does is actually a forbidden technique seen in Clone Wars, done by Obi-wan, Mace and Anakin to Cad Bane and later by Darth Maul to clone trooper. It involves mind, but is different to just mind trick as it is invasive and might be devastating to the probed person.
Mind trick is just a “charm” or suggestion that wears off.

 

This is what JJ had to say about that scene in his director’s commentary.

“The idea is that Rey is desperately trying to use this Force power that she just experienced with Kylo Ren. And on the dim mind of a typical Storm Trooper, she just feels that she could possibly, having just been in such a powerful mind, could overpower a weak one.”

I feel it’s extremely unlikely that JJ Abrams or Lawrence Kasdan were referencing any moments from a cartoon, that they probably hadn’t watched, when they wrote that sequence. Even though the film grammar between those two instances are noticeable dissimilar, we’re supposed to interpret them as the same thing.

By his own account, that appears to be the author’s intent. So that's what I'm going with.

 

Rey could be Anakin mother…world beyond worlds allow that. That would make her a Skywalker.

 

And Palpatine could be Anakin's father - making it all one big family anyway

 

I see elsewhere on this site 'Darth Topless' is making a comeback in the Lego games...

 

What was the point of this trilogy? To tell a story and to conclude the Skywalker family saga. Did the trilogy achieve its goals? That depends upon who liked it and who didn't.

 

It concluded the Skywalker saga, but did so in the most pessimistic way possible. I enjoyed TFA and absolutely loved TLJ....but never in my wildest dreams did I think that the Skywalker saga would end with all of the Skywalkers dead and a Palpatine claiming the name. In theory, ignoring your blood link to a monster is a noble idea...but in other media than one like Star Wars, where the ties of blood and family have been at the heart of the Skywalker saga.

I'm genuinely bewildered that DLF wanted to end the Skywalker saga in any case....there have been plenty of spin offs about other characters, such as KOTOR and Rebels, that have happily co existed within the SW U alongside the Skywalker saga.

 

I read the finale as more of the ending of one era and the beginning of another. The name lives on. The family lives on. The saga lives on. “But that’s a story for another time” and so forth.

 

The Skywalker bloodline has been purged from the Galaxy, because DNA doesn't transfer with a name change.

Only Rey Palpatine remains and I don't know how to read her existence any other way.

THIS. What she calls herself and why, is a story for another time indeed.

 

The concept of “family” in Star Wars has never been limited by whoever happens to share DNA. True to life, found family - the loved ones we choose to have in our lives - is every bit as important and valid.

But that’s a choice you’re deciding to make: to see an individual as nothing more than the product of a heritage beyond their control. We aren’t our parents. We're ourselves.

That was the story of the sequel trilogy.

 

Do you feel the same way about any adopted or orphaned child who's grandparents were criminals but they have had no relationship with in any way. "Sorry kid. I know it's your birthday, and it's Christmas day, but I just don't know how to read your existence in any other way than you having the DNA of someone from history of whom I disapprove. Even though you destroyed them. Thanks for saving my family's and many other millions of lives by putting an end to the war but you can't come any further on to my property. And I won't shake hands if you don't mind."

--- Double Post Merged, Mar 30, 2022, Original Post Date: Mar 30, 2022 ---

So what if the parents of all the younglings murdered by Anakin Skywalker in order 66 decided to condemn and persecute Leia because, despite her name change, she has the DNA of the man who destroyed the future guardians of peace and justice and helped plunge the galaxy into decades of dictatorship and darkenss? Would you be at the front of the mob with a pitchfork, out for Leia's blood?

How about Luke? Yeah we know he blew up the first death star. But when he discovered who his father really was, he abandoned his mission to blow up the second death star and instead decided to go and try save the Skywalker who murdered all those children.

Anakin "I will do anything you say." Skywalker was more a Palpatine than Rey ever was.

 

Didn't Leia get a lot of hostility in 'Bloodline' when her father's true identity come out?

Fact is, the idea of Rey taking the Skywalker name is fine in theory....in another film, another story..but the Skywalker saga was all about ties of blood and family. Luke wanted to become a Jedi because of who his father was. When he discovered the truth, he told Obi Wan that he couldn't kill his own father.

At the end of ROTJ, Anakin chose Luke over his master....because he was his son.

Han went to face Kylo...because he still saw him as his son Ben. On the surface it appeared he failed...but as Snoke sarcastically pointed out, the act that should have destroyed the last of the light in him, instead broke his heart...because he had killed his own father.
Lor San Tekka himself told Kylo 'you cannot deny the truth that is your family'.

The Skywalker saga was the story of a family, of how the ties of blood are stronger than death. That is why it seemed so..wrong when TROS had Luke telling Rey that 'blood didn't matter'.....the Skywalker saga's message was that blood always matters. It's stronger than death, stronger than hate.

 

Yes, and the story makes a stupendously massive amount of effort to illustrate just how absurd and ignorant that reaction was - to judge a person by the sins of their father.

It’s the central tragedy of the novel: Leia is the absolute right person to be leading the New Republic, but smallminded and wrongheaded bigots can’t see past that superficiality and insist on casting someone in a light shown by someone else.

I’m sorry, but no. Star Wars is all about relationships and bonds - connections. Not blood. Luke is enamored with the ‘idea’ of who his father was: a great hero. He aspires to be worthy of that legacy. That’s his connection. Luke can’t kill his own father because of that perceived bond. Because he believes he’s felt that great hero still alive inside that twisted exterior.

Right. And he chose Padmé over the Jedi in ROTS. Not because of any shared blood between them, but because of that attachment. Because she was his wife.

Which, again, is all about the relationship built between them, not their blood. If Ben wasn’t Han’s biological son, he’d love him just as much. Just as Bail loved Leia and Leia loved Bail. It’s a parent loving their child and a child loving their parent. It’s the bond, not the blood.

I believe you’ve woefully missed the message of what this series has been desperately trying to tell you and it’s very sad to see.

 

How does the family live on when they are all dead?

 

Rey SKYWALKER

 

Well, I don't feel sad!

I'm sorry, let's agree to disagree, but I will say this....if they intended to have Rey standing in the ruins of the Lars farm proudly announcing herself Rey SKYWALKER....why not simply make her one by blood? Because it isn't an 'order'...like the Jedi. It's a family name. Pablo Hidalgo and JJ Abrams went to great lengths to insist that she was not a Skywalker post TFA, or even a Solo - then they change their minds at the last minute.

But, whatever way you look at it, it will always be baffling to me that they chose to make the last three films in the SKYWALKER saga about...someone else. They could easily have given Rey and Finn their own films, or better still, a tv series.

Let's face it, the Forsyte saga wasn't about the Smiths next door!