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What's the worst Star Wars movie?

Discussion in 'General Movie Discussion' started by darth sputnik, Jan 21, 2018.

  1. darth sputnik

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    Yeah, I know this thread may be asking for trouble, but I'm genuinely curious. We've all seen the various "rank the SW films" threads and it's kinda fantastic how wildly divergent the opinions run (thus proving the overall greatness of this series). Anyway, the general consensus seems to be TPM and AOTC are always battling it out for the bottom of the barrel, but is that true? And of those two, which one is more likely to be the most disliked?

    For my money, AOTC is the least enjoyable SW film. While TPM may very well have some forehead-slappingly bad moments, it has a nice vibe to it that feels Star-Warsy. I think being shot on film and using more location shooting, miniatures and practical effects went a long way, plus Darth Maul, Qui Gon and Duel of the Fates are all pretty outstanding. Conversely, AOTC has (somehow) the worst looking effects of the entire series, the worst green-screen locations, the horrendous love story, the distracting cameos (N-Sync?!?), and even worse acting and dialogue than TPM. It saddens me that there's a SW movie out there that pretty much pisses me off every time I attempt to watch it (I truly feel bad for the people that get that feeling from TLJ -- it's a crappy feeling to have. I'm serious, I have empathy for you).

    Anyway, I know AOTC is ranked higher on both IMDB and Rotten tomatoes (6.6 vs 6.5 and 66% vs 55%), but I have a hard time believing people think it's somehow better than TPM even to this day.

    Your thoughts?

    (P.S. This is for the live action films, so not counting the clone wars movie. Also, it's the only one I've never seen.)
     
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    You really have to ask?! :eek:
     
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    Filmmaking wise AOTC is the worst Star Wars movie and this is why:
    Bad storylines with no real plot, boring and too long action sequences, bad dialogues, the movie has no threat (neither the droid army nor Count Dooku), the visual effects didn't age well. The only good things about this movie are the settings and Obi-Wan Kenobi.

    I also really dislike R1, but that's just my personal opinion. R1 is far away from being the worst Star Wars movie.
     
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    The Phantom is the worse in my opinion because I just can't get over the potential AOTC had...
     
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    The Phantom Menace, It’s Just So Boring, The Only Good Parts Are The Darth Maul Duels And (Don’t Hate On Me For This) Jar Jar. I Actually Think Attack Of The Clones Is The Best Star Wars Movie Though
     
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    "The Last Jedi". I never thought I would see a movie in which I harbor a lower opinion than "The Force Awakens". "The Last Jedi" was it..
     
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    Hey don't hate me for this but AOTC isn't that bad. Battle on Geonosis, Obi-Wan VS Jango Fett, and first time seeing Yoda with a lightsaber. Also it had some nice memes. TPM is in my opinion not the best but still okay. Mainly because of the Battle of the fates. ROTS is my second favorite SW film ever. It would take me too long too explain. Rogue One is solid but has a few flaws. There was also no lightsaber duels but that is okay with me. A new hope isn't terrible but it could have been done a little better. Empire Strikes back is my favorite star wars movie ever. Return of the jedi is also great, but everything with the ewoks is just kinda stupid. The force awakens is pretty good and a definetly liked the movie. The Last Jedi was okay there was some pretty stupid humor and the canto bight was also a bit stupid. Overall, a okay movie though. All in all, I have to admit the prequel trilogy is actually okay. The Original trilogy is great, and the sequels are so far solid. Also yes i switched AOTC with TPM, my mistake. My least favorite movie would have to be the phantom menace, mainly because of Jar Jar.
     
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    Attack of the Clones. In terms of moviemaking and storytelling the 'worst' in my opinion. Doesn't really stack up with the other prequels. But don't let that prevent you from loving or enjoying that movie. Being a true Star Wars, I can still watch AOTC and love it despite all of its 'faults'

    My ranking is the following:

    1. TLJ
    2. ESB
    3. TFA
    4. ANH
    5. ROTJ
    6. RO (perhaps dropping below ROTS)
    7. ROTS (went up significantly, because TLJ suddenly made this one considerably better and important: that's an intertextual argument.... :p)
    8. TPM
    9. AOTC

    I love all Star Wars. I'm happy there are so many good Star Wars movies. The first four in my list have received massive critical acclaim and are also, from the perspective of me being a general movie lover, excellent movies. The rest is good or enjoyable.

    I don't see Star Wars as a zero-sum-game. Just enjoy, everyone, and don't busy yourself too much with picking worst or best ones. @CTrent29 will probably become very angry because I rank the prequels very low. But always remember that this doesn't mean that I don't love them. I am a viewer who judges a movie in terms of movie-making first and only then starts wondering whether I can love it or not. Those are two completely seperate things for me. I watch ROTJ and ROTS more than ANH, even though I think ANH is a better made movie. :)
     
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    Same here!

    When I see a question about "the best or worst Star Wars film," I see this really as "What is the best or worst Star Wars chapter."

    The saga, from Prequel to Sequel Trilogy, is one continuous storyline, and each Episode is a chapter in that story.

    And, just like in regular books and stories, some chapters can be "better" or "worse" than others, I think, but I always try to remember each of those are part of the larger storyline.

    I also feel that way with something like Rogue One and the upcoming Solo film, as well as related canon novels and stories such as the animated Rebels series: they are intended to be part of a larger narrative, and that larger context always, for me, helps me find more reason and value in (and between) each particular episode.

    What makes it even more amazing and hopeful for me is that Star Wars is so far from done. It is a work in progress, a line segment along a larger continuum of galactic history which extends in both directions: the past and the future.

    As I see it, each of those stories often help to contribute some significance to the larger narrative, and there's always the potential for prior or future stories to make substantial direct or indirect impacts on existing or future stories.

    One example being the Mortis arc
    http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Mortis

    Rogue One even had an important technological tie-in with The Last Jedi -- Hyperspace Tracking
    http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Hyperspace_tracker

    So, while I might at times be tempted to become too focused on one particular episode within this storyline and contemplate "what ifs" or "what could have been," I recognize that, once I do move beyond those subjective barriers, there is so much more to be found and enjoyed -- sometimes suprisingly so once new connections can be made by myself or others.

    Star Wars has so much discoverability to it, and, for all its subjective imperfections, I still look upon it as one of the most amazing storylines of all time -- a story which can continuously extend into the past and the future.

    It's a storytelling realm where not everything happens the way I anticipate or prefer, but, that has often proved to be a good thing for me, especially looking back, years later, and regarding things from that different experiential perspective.

    As I have personally experienced it so far, there's so much to return to and enjoy with fresh insight, and, now, so much to look forward to as well!

    Thank the Makers!

    (c-3po)
     
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    Once IX concludes things, I will be so happy, I have seen the best and most complex multilayered story ever produced in the 20th and 21st centuries! :)

    I know the story might not be over and can be extended, but I love it when things end and come to a conclusion. Just imagine watching all nine episodes in succession. So many things have changed in the process, so many new layers added. I love it how some scenes become more important with each new installment. We're almost there!

    For instance, this scene has become one of the central scenes of the entire saga since The Last Jedi. That moment when Luke comes in and Obi Wan sees and subsequently sacrifices himself. Never really had any real feeling with this particular scene, but now since TLJ I love it.

     
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    That scene always gives me the chills.

    Obi-Wan's look says so much in those moments.

    He knows he's taking his own "first steps into a larger world."

    He knows Luke and Leia and Han and the Rebellion will live on.

    His life mission is complete.

    He is trusting in the Force -- in the Light Side -- and passively yet victoriously joins the Force.

    AND WOW I JUST NOTICED SOMETHING NEW IN THE OLD FILM:

    Obi-Wan to Han (in the Falcon): "You can't win, but there are alternatives to fighting."

    Obi-Wan to Vader: "You can't win, Darth. If you strike me down, I shall become more powerful than you can possibly imagine."

    He says it twice: YOU CAN'T WIN.

    In both instances he demonstrates one of core and seemingly incongruent/counter-intuitive principles of the saga:

    victory without violence.

    Qui-gon showed them the way. Yoda and Obi-Wan learned from him. And Luke advanced this idea heroically in TLJ.

    The narrative does progress in light of new experiences and wisdom, and those impacts on the future of characters are simply amazing to me.

    I'll say it again, because it's so true to me: Star Wars has so much discoverability to it!
     
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    Yep, haha there's The Last Jedi for you. Love it. Now that is intertextuality,
     
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    To be fair, I do enjoy them all, even if I enjoy some simply because of nostalgia.

    But I'd say that Attack of the Clones is the worst of the films.

    However, I'd say that for me, The Phantom Menace has aged the worst. I used to love that film as a kid, and while I still think it's much better than Clones, it's definitely fallen from the pedestal I used to place it on.

    But you know, that's just another reminder that Star Wars is for all ages. I won't complain that I used to like a movie as a kid, and as an adult I still find that movie's series to by my favorite.
     
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    I still absolutely love that scene where the Jedi enter the arena and then when they are saved by the Clones and Yoda in the gunships. Or that moment at the end when all the stardestroyers lift off with the imperial march. I also love that moment where Dooku sincerely tries to turn Obi Wan.
     
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    Revenge of the Sith.
     
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    I can watch all of them, as i love Star Wars so much that no Star Wars movie is unwatchable.

    For me the answer is: The Phantom Menace, It just didn't have it for me as Attack of the Clones for me had more cool moments where as The Phantom Menace only had the Duel of Fates which was awesome but not enough to save it from being the worst.

    Plus The Phantom Menace had more Jar Jar Binks!!!
     
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    From what I can tell, this is an unpopular opinion, but I will have to say The Force Awakens, because of a few reasons:

    1. It undid everything in the OT besides Vader's Redemption.

    2. Rey is just unbearably overpowered. (Knowing how to use Jedi mind tricks even though she only learned the Force even existed a few hours ago, knowing more about the Millennium Falcon than Han does somehow, being really well-versed in Lightsaber combat despite never having used one [This one wouldn't be an issue if it were a double-bladed lightsaber, like the staff she uses.], etc.)

    3. The plot is really just a retread of A New Hope.
     
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    What's the worst ya ask ?

    To me, there ain't one.
    Not a one.
    To me.
     
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    The Last Jedi, hands down.
     
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    I've got TLJ as the worst, for now anyway. It was a big disappointment for me which is why I have it bottom of my list.
     
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