Who does the movie title refer to?

So if Ben Solo "Rises", what's the point of calling it the Rise of Skywalker if we are "ending the Skywalker saga"? Call it Rise of a Jedi or The Rise of Solo.

If you truly think about it, either Disney is just being stupid as always, or they aren't ending the Skywalker story for good. If Ben Solo is kept alive when the credits roll, how is it the end?

Personally I believe it's a mistake to end it. That there could easily be another trilogy about the grandchildren of Anakin.

Also, your signature at the end of your posts...I am a Skywalker, like my grandfather before me....makes no sense. Ben Solo has Skywalker blood by relation. but neither of his parents are named Skywalker. Talk about pissing on your fathers legacy and your mother's family (Organa), who helped found the Rebellion, by running around calling yourself Skywalker because your grandpa was Vader. Talk about a Scum move if he ever uttered those words.

If there isn't a significant change to his story, Kylo is just a spoiled kid looking for power and does NOT deserve redemption. Killing your father and trying to kill your mother (on Crait) are not forgivable. If he sacrifices himself and turns at the very end, it's ROTJ 2.0.

 

that's literally all that matters. in traditional lineage-sense, you are the child of both families joined as one. you don't stop being the child of your mother's family just because she changed her name when she got married. and in this case, Leia was never called Skywalker, but that doesn't make her any less of one either.

Ben represents the last of the Skywalker line no matter what his name is. if he rises, the Skywalker line rises.

 

Meh. If that's the case then JJ is being too "mystery box" about the title. It's purposefully using an interpretation to maintain mystery. I don't want Ben Solo or Kylo Ren EVER to represent the Skywalker name. The name needs to die a legend. It needs to die synonymous with hope. Ben Solo is anything but, as proven in TLJ. The Skywalker name needs to forever be associated with Luke. The man that help his father find redemption. The man that created a legend larger than life in his dying moments. Not some punk like Ben Solo.

Sorry folks. He's not the Skywalker you're looking for.

 

well, the story's not done. Ben may yet grow up and do the right thing.
that's a powerful reason for stories to exist: to provide transformative inspiration for people who desperately need it.

so there's always hope, first of all, and secondly, since he is the last of the line, i'm happy to root for his redemption as it means the OT heroes' legacy is also redeemed. Ben has a lot of work to do. but don't we all?

as for the "mystery title" Kennedy and Abrams were completely transparent about saying that the title was intended to be a little ambiguous so as not to just give the whole story away. it was a deliberate choice so that people could continue to have conversations pretty much exactly like this one. : D

 

Ben doesn't need to die to end the Skywalker saga. He could break the Skywalker curse and bring balance to the Force. => ending the Skywalker saga.

That's a reference to "I'm a Jedi like my father before me."

The surname Solo doesn't even mean anything. You can thank SOLO for that...

Tell this to Darth Vader. Btw Kylo didn't know Leia was on Crait (not good writing IMO).

This pretty much describes the meaning of my signature. : D

If Ben Solo dies unredeemed, then the name Skywalker dies with him. If he dies evil, then the Skywalker did nothing for the galaxy but creating chaos. The Skywalkers need to get the chance to redeem themselves. It's Ben's chance to free the Skywalkers.

 

I believe the Skywalker legacy lies with Rey, not Ben. She's been setup to be the "Skywalker" of the trilogy. She was supposed to have a film with each legacy character (Han TFA, Luke TLJ, Leia TROS). Every post about Ben's redemption ignores how it would impact Rey. In all honesty, it would upstage her importance. It would be like Rey didn't matter and the only thing that matters is Kylo turning away from his evil ways. The galaxy can be saved with or without Ben Solo returning. The Skywalker name would be just fine with Luke dying and helping Rey by passing on all he knows.

What curse? Anakin fell. Luke didn't. Leia didn't. Not sure there's a curse on Skywalkers that needs breaking.

 

Of course Rey is needed. She is the reason Kylo turns. She is the Luke to Kylo's Vader. Yin and Yang.

The curse of bringing darkness to the galaxy.
- Anakin fell to the dark side and created a regime of terror and war.
- Luke failed to bring back the Jedi and actually created Kylo Ren.
- Leia couldn't protect her son and went into war with the FO.
- Ben Solo - like his grandfather before him - was targeted by a powerful dark side user.

This family is always surrounded by darkness. It's their curse but also their burden to break free from it. Only then you can get balance in the Force. At least I think this is was George Lucas always wanted to tell. A story of redemption.

 

I think the title 'The Rise of Skywalker' refers to the rise of the legacy of not only the Skywalker family, but Anakin Skywalker. Perhaps by the end of the saga, we will learn that it will have taken generations of Skywalkers (Anakin, Luke, and Ben Solo) to rid the galaxy of not only the curse on their family, but the stain of Emperor Palpatine and the dark side of the force.

 

To clarify...
No more good guys or bad guys. Peace coming over the galaxy. He told Rey to let the past die. I think he will live up to that statement. He will rise as the last Skywalker and finish what his grandfather & uncle started. It will cost him everything.

 

Luke is coming back. Not a force ghost. In the flesh.

 

I very much hope this doesn't happen 'cause then there will be no more Star Wars post RoS... no more conflicts and therefore no more films... That would make me sad

 

The time period wouldn't really matter to me. It's peace after TROS? Fine! Then let's tell stories before or even while the Skywalker saga. There are many possibilities for conflict.

 

Im totally good with this.

. . . just going to be dicey due to the very limited character progression from him to this point . We only have 2-3 hours left and it will be split, again, between him and Rey. How he gets from blood curdling, uncle lust killing to sympathetic, misguided pit bull will be cinematically very difficult.

 

After watching a video about old ideas Lucas had for the ST, I remembered that one of my hunches for the ep IX title (before it was released) was that it would refer to Leia. So could the Skywalker in the title be Leia? I voted in the poll just today and realised no one but me has chosen that option...

 

I agree.

 

I’m very late to this thread, but that’s a really good point. Episode IX was always supposed to be Leia’s film the same way VII was Han’s and VIII was Luke’s, and considering they prominently used her theme in the teaser, I would suspect that they’re at least going to attempt to make this still feel like her film as much as they can.

Although Leia is a Skywalker by birth, she’s never taken the Skywalker name and never embraced Force wielding the way that her father and brother did. It’s very possible her arc in this film is focused on her accepting the family legacy. Maybe the explanation for her absence in much of the film is that she’s training with Luke’s Force ghost. I’ve always believed the initial plan for this trilogy –– before Carrie’s death, obviously –– was for Leia to redeem Kylo. Even though I’m sure it won’t happen, I would LOVE for Rey and Kylo’s duel to culminate with Kylo about to defeat Rey when suddenly someone uses the Force to pull the Skywalker lightsaber to them, and the camera pans over to show Leia holding the saber and facing Kylo once and for all.

That being said, the titles of the films in this trilogy so far seem to refer to the legacy character it focuses on and eventually Rey. With The Force Awakens, to a lesser extent, it referred to Han’s realization that the Force and Jedi were real, driven by the obvious conflict with his fallen son –– but by the end, it refers to the Force literally awakening in Rey. Similarly, The Last Jedi refers to Luke until the very end when he dies and Rey becomes the last Jedi. So, perhaps The Rise of Skywalker refers both to Leia accepting the Force-wielding legacy of her family and Rey being revealed as a Skywalker? Honestly, anything’s possible. I have no idea, but if we’re assuming that the title does refer to Leia, then I would guess it also partially refers to Rey, too, as the other two titles in this trilogy have also referred to her.

 

Since they're using discarded material from TFA (and TLJ?) for Leia's scenes in RoS, any such Leia fight scenes or force displays are very unlikely. (But yes, it would be cool). They are supposedly not using body doubles or anything for Carrie, and the only things we know she shot scenes for that wasn't used in TFA are political & leadership stuff. No action, as far as we know.

That said, the title could easily refer to Leia

 

An official comic for Kylo Ren was announced:

The Rise of Kylo Ren <=> The Rise of Ben Solo <=> The Rise of The Last Skywalker <=> The Rise Of Skywalker

 

Yeah, that’s why I don’t think it’s going to happen. There’s no way they could pull it off. Regardless, there are still ways the title could refer to Leia. It seems pretty unlikely because I don’t know how she could have that prominent of a role with only unused footage, but I suppose anything is possible. I’m leaving this in J.J.’s hands. I have faith that he’ll do a great job no matter what.

 

Oh, they could pull it off rather easily, with the use of a body double/stunt person and CGI face grafting (its been a long time, tech-wise, since 2016 ).

But apparently they have disqualified such tools for Carrie in RoS. So, unless they changed their mind or were somewhat fluid with their truth ("point of view" and all that), then we're not gonna see mature Leia fight in this one. (Unless, amazingly, they did film some fight scenes with Carrie for TFA that we don't know about, but that is highly unlikely, IMHO).

Now, I think it is fair to say that we COULD get a body double/CGI-faced young Leia for some flashback stuff, and I'd be totally down with that! Or even better, if they are anal enough (as they were with RO), they might have combed through discarded OT stuff to find young Carrie doing running or fighting or whatever and graft that into RoS flashback scenes.

Whatever it takes, I want as much Leia and as bad-ass a Leia as I can get in this one (And to be honest, I'm a little bit disappointed that they chose to disqualify certain movie-making tools in this regard... although, that's a huge hornets nest worth of canned worms in regards to deceased actors, so perhaps it is better this way).