SPECULATION Why Snoke has become most important character

Lol things are subjective. Snoke has nothing like a muun head.

Now the Plaguean Inquisition will point out that the DP novel declaring him a muun is no longer cannon.

 

Of course they are immortal, spirits cant die. (that Lucas )

 

AMEN to that!

Snoke is actually like a parasite, and some poor planet, village or powerful person is feeding him essence to keep him maintained. I LOVE IT.

 

It is fishy how they decanonised Plagueis' novel and then don't mention his species in Tarkin...moreover, they asked Luceno not to mention the species of a character - I wonder who?

 

Exactly. Plagueis novel is not canon anymore, but there is its sister book "Tarkin" which translates some things mentioned about him and this book is a canon now.

Let me be free to repeat for everyone's use my short list of canon references about Darth Plagueis the Wise from Tarkin novel as a point of refernce for people who needs it:

From "Tarkin Novel"(CANON).

-Plagueis really is Sidious' master, he's not something Sidious made up just to dupe Anakin.
-Sidious was still Plagueis' apprentice several years after he was appointed as Naboo senator. It is not clear if Plagueis lives until the events of TPM as is the case in DP novel.
-Plaguies once remarked that "the Force can strike back", in a way that accumulating to much power can make inbalance of the Force and Force tends to balance itself.
-Related to the point above, Sidious seeks to use the power of the dark side to reshape reality itself, to fashion his own universe. He remarked that he wants influence of the ultimate sort, not just mere immortality like Plagueis.
-Related again to this point above , it is confirmed Plagueis spent his life in quest for immortality.
-Plagueis' species is not mentioned.
-Plagueis' end is not elaborated. Sidious only remarked that Plagueis could not foreseen his apprentice becoming an Emperor.
-Tarkin studied Darth Plagueis, making him think will the use of Death Star make inbalance and could the Force strike back for this.
-Vader studied Darth Plagueis.
-Palpatine ramarks Plagueis giving him "posthumous" credit of been truly great and wise Sith Lord and strategian.
-Palpatine inherited Plagueis droid. 11-4D. using it as coordination (main) droid in excavaton of Sith artefact beneath Jedi Temple on Coruscant.

 

where did that come from? something Qui-gon or Yoda said?

neither were as powerful as the chosen one.. who knows what Anakin was capable of in that form?
who's to say he didn't fall back to the dark side after becoming a force ghost?

these films and this story is fantasy.. Lucasfilm can take us anywhere they want to.

Perhaps Luke finds out that becoming a force ghost is unnatural and damages balance? perhaps that's why the Jedi need to end.. so that transformation is never achieved again.

who knows lol... but i think we need to have a more open mind. I think we're in for a wild ride with 8 & 9.

 

Yoda said to Anakin in the episode II, that he should not dispare but rejoice for those who Joins the Force (meaning on his dying mother).

 

This is a very interesting debate. No matter what your arguments are, it's a plesure to read them all.
Lots of food for thought.

But I've got the feeling that the core of the riddle is there:

These are hints too specific to be ignored. They're put there for a reason.
And though it's hard to understand where they lead, or what their fully imply... it's the key (I believe) of the dynamic between them.
And of that between Sidius and the Dark Force in UR (regardeless if that's = Snoke and if Snoke = Plaguies, this will be answered once you answer all the rest).

I may be wrong but, I guess we have to start with this consideration:

- Plaguies was seeking immoratality, he was concerned/aware that "the Force can strike Back" and he was obsessed (at least in legends) with the Chose One.
- Sidius was seeking the power to reshape reality. That to me tell us what he wanted to get from whatever was in the UR: that power.

So I'd say:

- Plaguies was obsessed with the Chosen One, because he was aware and scared the Force can strike back to bring balance.
If he had the power to control the Chosen One - and maybe the ability to be hosted in his body - he would have gain immortality.

- Sidius was aware that the Force can strike back, but he thought that the power to reshape reality would have make the Force
incapable to do so, thus the Chosen One irrelevant.

That however, doesn't explain who Snoke is. Or to say it better if he's Plaguies or not.

Personally, the main problem I see with Plaguies = Snoke = the dark force in the UR, is: if so why to call Sidius?

Why to call Sidius at all, since he tried to kill him? Revenge? He was preparing a big (and bad) surprise for him? Weird. Or weak.
It was because Sidius was the only one who can bring him Anakin/Vader? Then why not to call Vader?

In addition, if that dark force was Snoke and Snoke was Plaguies that supports the idea that Plaguies did not create Anakin.
He would have call Vader/Anakin and or Vader/Anakin would have felt him.

Just some random thoughts.

 

Maybe RJ did.

 

Let me reLol you my son Plagueis indeed is no Muun.We do not know his race.And dare I say we do not know Snoke's race to.

 

fishy? don't go there !

 

I get you, man. I get you. I am pickin' up what yer puttin' down. I'm smellin' what yer steppin' in. I get it. I know all of these sources intimately. But remember, I approved of the (perceived) leap you took. So it wasn't a slam.

 

I mean, who was that character they were trying to conceal the species of?
Strikes me that Plagueis would be a prime candidate...

 

Or Tarkin was the first Novel post ink dry on the Disney deal.

 

What Species is this Banker from Clone wars? Make him old, burn him and cut him up with a light saber and he could be Snoke. Only difference I see and it is not definitive is the ears. I suppose Snoke could be a Hybrid from Munn/Human birth.



http://i.imgur.com/ormSWg3.png

 

Far different head shape. And that shot doesn't showcase the Muun nose.

Its subjective. I just don't see that ss close to Snoke.

 

I'd say snoke is a lot more humanoid than any alien we've seen before. if not for being giant, he could pass for a tortured human.

I don't really understand what they were going for with snoke actually. I know they wanted him 'statuesque' but I find his design and role in TFA to be super cliche. I found him to be really weak as a big bad villain, and one of the worst bits of the film. I would have prefered the F.O to not have a darkside leader, I currently don't see the need for Ren to have a master, other than the fact they wanted to parralell the OT.

 

I am ok if Snoke is not DP even if it provides great continuity between the movies. I do like however like to try and figure out these mysteries. If Snoke is not DP they can always bring DP back later.

Maybe it take a Dark Side user 30 years or more to reanimate =).

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You make great points. Kylo could stand on his own just through researching archives and ruins etc... I agree if there is no continuity between Snoke and previous movies then he is weak and a cliché.

 

Good example why Snoke is not a Muun ( pardon Plagueis). It is a not just ugly (Snoke is ugly) but also a pathethic looking race for Supreme leader.

 

But that assumes great importance. If Ren and not Snoke is the true BBEG then he doesn't need to be some major reveal. He is a former imp who knew enough dark side lore to push Kylo the wrong way. Or an ancient evil that will outlive his usefulness to Kylo.