SPECULATION Why Snoke has become most important character

what if he is a Fallen Whill? Like our own idea of a "Fallen Angel" - As much as I love Plagueis, and think his story should absolutely be made canon (for multiple reasons) I think seeing the Journal of the Whills in TLJ Teaser is maybe giving us a clue to Snoke's origins.

Admittedly this is a theory!

 

This is not how I expected this day will end, but please I would like some opinion about this ........May the Force be with you( OMG)

 

Who's that

 

That is definitely possible and would be really interesting! The one potential problem with this theory is that the Shamans of the Whills seem to be a bit metaphysical (correct me if I'm wrong), and so it might be a little difficult to clearly explain what Snoke is given the limited time-frame of a movie.

If Snoke is the ancient rogue Jedi that founded the Sith, then he would be relatively easy to explain. Additionally, it may explain why Like needs to find the First Jedi Temple and the Journal of the Whills, as these may hold clues to Snoke's past and how such an evil being could emerge from the ancient Jedi order.

 

A lot of you guys are really knowledgeable about Plagueis. And the more i read, the more I REALLY like this idea/theory. He does make for an extremely powerful baddie. One worthy and believable as being more powerful than Sidious. This definitely works for me. I'm not saying i agree that DP is SLN, but I like the idea if he is.

 

Most people don't mention that 5 pages before Palpatine murders Plagueis in his sleep, Plagueis (on Coruscant, during Episode I) goes to try and see Anakin. He is convinced that Anakin was created by the Force as a direct result of he and Palpatine shifting the balance of the Force in earlier parts of the novel. In his Force vision, among other things, he sees a tall, dark robotic knight with a crimson saber. I've always felt this was his trigger to put all of his knowledge to the test. So he let Palpatine kill him to see if he could survive.

 

"5 pages before Palpatine murders"

is this from one of the movie scripts, a book, something else?

 

Sorry, this is in the Darth Plagueis Novel...here's the actual excerpt...

“What? Plagueis asked himself. What topic has summoned such an earnest look to Qui-Gon’s face, and such confused urgency in the boy?
Lifting his face from the macrobinoculars, he stretched out with the Force and fell victim to an assault of perplexing images: ferocious battles in deep space; the clashing of lightsabers; partitions of radiant light; a black-helmeted cyborg rising from a table … By the time his gaze had returned to the platform, Qui-Gon and the boy had disappeared.”

Excerpt From: Luceno, James. “Darth Plagueis.”

 

Except he isn't Plagueis. We've been told as much, nor does it make much sense that he is Plagueis, or that someone as strong as Plagueis would just give up being Sith because......reasons.

 

Haha yeah it would be a long time to wait, but if Snoke is the ancient rogue Jedi that founded the Sith, as I've theorized, then he would've been severely injured by his Sith apprentices that turned against him. As TFA novelization hints, Snoke has been "reconstructed." So, Like a Voldemort situation, perhaps it took many years for Snoke to recover and re-build his strength.

Additionally, it seems that Snoke is indeed incredibly old and so has waited a long time to make his move. As TFA novelization said, "The hood of the dark robe he wore was down, leaving visible a pink, pale face so aged it verged on translucence."

Moreover, in Aftermath: Empire's End, it is strongly hinted at that Snoke is connected to the origin of the force: “The Emperor was convinced that something waited for him out there – some origin of the Force, some dark presence formed of malevolent substance.” So, because origin usually refers to the beginning of something, it seems likely that Snoke was around during the very early stages of the Jedi and Sith.

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My theory that Snoke was the rogue Jedi that founded the Sith and then was betrayed by his own apprentices would explain why Snoke rejects the Sith's Rule of Two and general idea that the master will eventually be replaced by a more powerful apprentice so as to further the Sith "order."

 

So your theory ist aht Snoke got his feeligns hurt and cried 'I'm not going to be a Sith anymore, they are mean"? It seems t me that a real Sith wouldn't run away and change what he is called, but seek revenge and prove that he is the most powerful one out there.

 

I hope they start sewing seeds (in these movies) of next Big Baddie after Kylo and Snoke for the next generation. =).

 

I agree with you. No matter how much I wish it were true, Snoke is not Plagueis. But you're insistence that Plagueis is once a Sith, always a Sith is circumstantial as well. Plagueis in his novel was not a fan of the rule of two and had perfectly positioned his rise with both financial backing and creating the trade embargo over Naboo in Episode I over wells of plasma beneath the planet's surface (this same plasma is used in the Gungan technology I believe). He felt most o the Sith to come before him were silly crusaders, and he was much wiser...

 

In the EU there were many old dark jedi or Sith who lingered somehow in an undead state. Snoke might be the first in a film.

 

Agreed! I don't think Snoke got his feelings hurt per se, but simply resolved after this massive betrayal never to fully trust anyone again and to aim to become the sole ruler of the galaxy for eternity. Since Snoke has seemingly been "reconstructed," it is plausible to think that Snoke was the one that reconstructed himself after being betrayed by his fellow Sith. In this sense, Snoke may have acquired the power that Plagueis never did: to save himself from death. If Snoke has this power, then he may think it unnecessary to form another Sith/dark-side "Order" with many relatively co-equal force-wielders that could one day challenge him. Instead, I think Snoke is all about me, myself, and I.

This is supported by Han's assertion to Ben that when Snoke has what he wants, he will toss him aside. In TFA script, the line after this says, "Somehow he [Ben] does know it." Unlike other Sith like Palpatine, I don't think Snoke plans on having any apprentice ever overthrow him. Snoke now disagrees with the Sith philosophy that the Sith will become stronger over time as powerful apprentices overthrow their weaker masters.

Link to the Full Theory: http://starwarsanalysis.com/who-is-snoke/

 

You mean the novel that isn't canon and has nothing to do with who Plagueis is?

A powerful Sith Lord who is almost killed but not quite doesn't run and hide, they come after their apprentice - for revenge and because to not would be to breed weakness into the Sith Order.

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Thats another way of saying "got his feelings hurt".

 

Yes, but I think the result of Snoke's experience was to resolve not to have feelings anymore. For example, in TFA novelization, Snoke argues that it was Darth Vader's "sentiment" for Luke that caused the Empire to fall. This could play an important role in The Last Jedi, as Snoke may eventually turn on Kylo when/if he gets too powerful.

 

Please try and be less condescending and antagonistic with your posts. It's just not necessary.