SPECULATION Why Snoke has become most important character

If the Plagueis novel is not reintroduced into canon, then many Prequel plotholes are reintroduced.

Why the blockage of Naboo by the Trade Federation?
How and why did a young girl become Queen?
Incredible backstory of Qui-Gon, Count Dooku and Syfo-Dyas
The Syfo-Dyas plotline makes zero sense in AOTC - this novel corrects that.
The Clones themselves and why the Kaminoians were chosen.
How were Sidious (and Plagueis) able to hang out with Jedi and mask their presence.

 

Its not all that hard to figure out the generalities of Snoke.

After the Battle of Jakku the Empire Remnants ran to the Uncharted Regions. While out there they re-built and re-organized into the First Order ( I think its possible Thrawn and/or the Chiss end up playing a role here). While out there Snoke comes into contact with the First Order and they place him at the top of their peaking order.

Now in the Thrawn novel we have Thrawn warning Palpatine of threats int he unknown Regions, and Palpatine being interested in whats out there and wondering if there is a darkside power out there (in other sources).

We also have people like Abrams and Serkis confirming that the Sith are gone, Snoke isn't someone else but just Snoke.

So Snoke is an alien from the Unknown Regions, he is strong with the Darkside but also seperate from the Jedi/Sith traditions (why he couldn't teach Kylo how to build a lightsaber, why the rest of the Knights of Ren use other weapons). Palpatine was aware of/able to sense Snoke (and his followers and/or species) presense in the force but didn't have details about who or what he was. Thrawn and the Chiss were obviously aware of Snoke and his people/followers.

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A powerful Sith Lord who apparently followed the rule of the two (as far as we know - this idea that he didn't like it is not canon), was attacked but not killed by his apprentice and doesn't then go after that apprentice for revenge and to re-establish himself as top dog.....ran away crying. That makes Snoke a lesser villain, a lesser threat, then Palpatine was. It makes him a Sith Lord who was beaten, went off to cry about losing and came back ONLY when those mean people who almost killed him were destroyed by others.

There is nothing condecending about calling a fictional characters behavior what it was. The theory puts forward a version of Plagueis/Snoke was was beaten up by Palpatine and rather then come back at him for revenge ran off to the unknown regions to cry/sulk etc... and who only came back after the mean old Sith who beat him was killed by someone else. It also doesn't explain why this Sith Lord apparently wants to arm his follows with inferior weapons to the Jedi/Sith, doesn't help Kylo figure out how to build a lightsaber and why he wouldn't still call himself Sith since thats what he is (and we've been told he isn't).

 

You know what I am referring to. It's your tone towards others across several threads. Just chillaxx to the maxx, mang. It's Star Wars. It's supposed to be fun, not frustrating. Friendly, not antagonistic. We are all certainly grown enough that was can discuss this stuff without insulting each others' "reading comprehension," intelligence. or the other thinly-veiled pot shots you've taken at others (including myself). It's all good man. Relax and enjoy a good discussion.

 

You're still hung up on that?

As I told ouy before, when someone takes the time to find, copy and link sources for you, don't then call it all a "leap in logic" (then pretend saying apostion isn't valid is a good thing) and state that it all must mean some thing different, don't be surprised if someone "takes a shot" since dismissing posts like that is a shot as well.

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I don't expect the Chiss to show up in the movie in any meaningful way - if they were I thinkw e would have seen them in TFA. Their involvement will/would be contained to the EU.

Plagueis is not explained in the films. The films set him up as a Sith Lord Palpatine may or may not have know, may or may not have killed or didn't discover the secret to cheat death. Thats it.

As far as the movie goes - we find out Snoke was doing X when he came across the First ORder, gave them purpose and singular vision. We find out from Luke that Snoke is a powerful in the Darkside - more powerful then the Emperor but different (ie - not a Sith). Thats it.

 

Although I agree that Plagueis would be easy to explain and be intriguing, it definitely seems like they're going in a different direction. One of the benefits of my theory is that it would also be relatively easy to explain and not rely on non-film material: Snoke was an ancient Jedi that went rogue, founded the Sith, and then was betrayed by his own apprentices. However, he had the one power that Plagueis did not have: the power to save himself from death. He is now out to become the only powerful force-wielder in the galaxy, and the eternal ruler of the galaxy.

 

Except its even easier and quicker to explain without him being an ancient Jedi and just a Darkside user.

And why are so many people so eager to turn Snoke into a lame Sith who got beat and instead of doing what Sith would do - get revenge and get his power back - ran to the unknown regions to cry about it until it was safe to come out again? Not a very strong villain.

 

I wonder if there's a cross over with those who want Plagy and those who think Ben should be redeemed ASAP.

 

I understand your concerns, but given Snoke's extensive injuries, he clearly was beaten at some point. I don't think it'd reduce Snoke's power too much if we say that he was beaten by dozens of his Sith apprentices that allied with each other to defeat him. In fact, Rian Johnson could say that Snoke was so powerful that he could only be defeated by dozens of his own turning against him.

I think Snoke needs some sort of intriguing backstory to justify Palpatine's view that Snoke is "some origin of the force." My theory would provide that.

 

Maybe - but it doesn't have to be at the hands of an apprentice or a Jedi. Someone earlier on here compared him to a zombie - the darkside could jsut be eating away at him so much that thats what it looks like. LIke, if Palpatine hadn't ave been in killed, in 100 years he'd look lke that too.

you still have your big bad villain running off to uncharted regions instead of acting like a Sith. We also don'tk now if Snoke IS what Palpatine was feeling or if he is what he was thinking/wondering.

Given how far they went to make sure that Snoke wasn't a Sith to just make him a Sith.....makes no sense.

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Except he didn't. He put together the scraps of Palpatines army.

Why not just come back, kill vader and take over the Empire that already there?

 

From what I've seen, Canadian Ronin is right - Abrams has explicitly said Snoke is not Plagueis. When it comes to Disney movies, I have not known of any cases where a rumor was concretely denied or confirmed where that denial or confirmation later turned out to be false.

"Aftermath:Empires End" spoilers alert:
I know most(perhaps all but me) are considering Yupe Tashu to be dead after Rax pushes him into the planet core on Jakku. But - to me - it's an implied death. There are powerful, mysterious forces at play in Jakku's core. What if that would be both:
A. How Snoke got so scarred/injured, and
B. How he became so powerful

???

Tashu - if he survived(possible, though extremely unlikely) - would be transformed, hence the name change. Plus he was the leader of the Acolytes, and I believe - from one of the interludes in Empires End - was already forming the Knights of Ren.

 

I think one of the key things when looking at backstories like this is.....it has to be two tiered.

It has to be simple enought to be explained in a minute or two of screen time and make sense - Snoke is a darkside user from the Uncharted Regions that the Emperor feared and who's power is not limited by the dogma of the Sith (a follower of Ren?). But with the ability to be deeper - his existence/history in the Unchart Region, how he took over the First Order, history with Thrawn and/or The Chiss, deeper understanding of the difference between Ren and Sith, etc... so the EU can expand on it.

 

The zombie idea is intriguing, but TFA novelization specifically says that Snoke was "reconstructed." This is more than just the dark side eating him away. At some point, Snoke needed reconstruction because he was severely injured.

To your second point, the beauty of my theory is that, in a way, it makes Snoke look very smart: He waited until there were the fewest combined Jedi and Sith in the galaxy to make his move. The Sith weren't considered cowards because they lurked in the shadows for a thousand years to make their move; they were considered shrewd and calculating.

To your last point, Pablo only said "there were no Sith in The Force Awakens," not that there were no former Sith. Since it seems Luke is considering abandoning the "Jedi Order" and labeling himself as something else, I don't see why they couldn't mirror that with Snoke.

 

where and how does it say he was reconstructed? Its not just this is it -
This is made clear in The Force Awakens novelization, and is self-evident from his appearance in the film:

“Poorly reconstructed, the broken nose added to the asymmetry of the damaged visage.”

A broken nose doesn't = a sever injury.

No your theory makes him look weak.

They can't play "real sith, former sith" games in the movies, to the general audience its all the same thing.

 

Jakku's planet core probably contains large quantity of Kyber and thus has concentration of the Force. Empire under the command of Gallius Rax drilled a Shaft that leads to the Planet core. It was part of Contingency plan. If Emperor Palpatine dies, in this case Gallius Rax was assigned to deliver Energy blow into the Planet core trough that shaft and destabilize it to make entire planet explode destroying with it Imperial and Republic forces around.

He didnt managed to do that, admiral Rae Sloane prevented him, however before that he pushed Tashu in that shaft in some Sith Ritual as a sacrifice to the Dark side.

In theory, yes Tashu could have survived and whatever transformed into Snoke there in that shaft leading to the planet core. But it seems to me a llitle bit to overlooped story and Tashu indeed is obscure Palpatines "secretary", I dont know would it be a good Snoke.

 

I'm also pretty sure Tashu can't use the force.

 

Yep, I remember all of that. The end of Empire's End was AWESOME! - IMO

 

Yeah that's the quote I'm using, but besides the nose there's also the big crack in his head! Moreover, Andy Serkis also said that Snoke has "suffered a lot of damage."

To your point about how Snoke waiting in the unknown regions for the right time to strike makes him look weak, I'd ask whether you think all the Sith before Palpatine were weak for putting the Sith "grand plan" into action?

To your last point, I'd also ask whether you think Luke will renounce the Jedi in Episode 8? If he does, then I don't see any contradiction with Snoke renouncing the Sith.