SPECULATION Will Finn be The Last Jedi at the end of the Trilogy

and I didn't say he couldn't be, I said why do we need to shove being force sensitive on a character who has already shown so many heroic characistics?

no, unlike you, I haven't decided already. However I'm not being lead by comformation basis. Assuming someone is force sensitive with zero evidence is a hell of a leap.

If we go by your way of looking at characters we don't know if Poe, Chewie, Lando, Snap, Lobot, R2, Jabba, Boba Fett, Phasma or Ewok #3 are force senstive or not either. Do you have an open mind about all these characters? Where your thread about Chewie using the force TLJ or Episode IX?

 

You used that argument in the other thread. I addressed it there. I believe there are moments in TFA that show Finn reacting to the Force. You don't and we go round in circles.

You based your counter- argument on descriptions of how other characters reacted in different situations. Just because Ben 'felt' the disturbance doesn't mean that Finn couldn't hear the screams? (watch the balcony scene - the screams played as Finn looks to the sky are those screams, not the shocked shouting reaction of Maz's customers a few moments later).

After the village massacre, Kylo Ren walks back to his shuttle, he pauses turns and looks directly at Finn - why?
When Finn and Poe escape Kylo knows immediately which trooper - how?
What was he sensing?

 

Except I've cited evidence, you just want to believe.

I have watched it - its not the same screams, they cut the sound effect from scene to scene. Screams aren't refered in the script. Finn looks behind him and up at the laser instead of toward the "screams". And this important part of foreshadowing wasn't important enough to include in the novel or comic adaptation.

Because Finn didn't fire his weapon at the villagers, thats why he tells Phasma about it.

Finn's hesitence. If Finn was force senstiive why isn't Kylo feeling it before they went down to the village or during his training etc...? This is the first itme Finn is showing signs of the conditioning not working, and Kylo feels it. And its not uncommon because we know they have a whole reconditioning program/section.

 

Wrong - I have cited belief - you have also cited belief. Until we can contextualise our differering interpretations in the light of the actual story developing, noone can claim proof.
No one on this forum knows.
We won't know until ep VIII or possibly IX

 

No, I've given you evidence - the script, the film, past examples of the force power being used etc... These "examples" of Finn usign the force are clearly Finn hearing people around him, and Kylo "feeling" that Finn is rejecting the conditioning given to him by the 1st order.

There is as much evidence of Finn being force sense as there of Chewie being force sensitive (how did Chewie know before Han and Luke to move away from the garbage compactor, and of course that is why Yoda trusted him, he knew Chewie was force sensitive.........) see how that can work?

 

I've answered that before.

Chewie doesn't go down the trash compactor because he smells a bad smell and complains to Han about it. Han kicks him in. Chewie is 2nd in after Leia. The scene cuts to the interior of the trash compactor as Han falls in. Luke has already had to time to try shooting the door. Chewie is now trying to force it. It's pretty clear that all 4 characters equally know they're in a bad place. Han has a bad feeling. The walls move.

At what point can you possibly imply that Chewie alone sensed any danger? At what point does he alone move away from the trash compactor? He just doesn't. If anyone shows signs of Force sensitivity in that scene it's Han - he has a lot of very prescient 'Bad Feelings'

1) you've misrepresented the facts of what happened in an unrelated event in order to...
2) misrepresent my belief in force sensitive Finn for the purpose of...
3) 'proving' something that, as of yet, cannot be proven.

I'm bored now. I'm out.

 

I don't think they would make the story that complicated. I would say there is zero percent chance of this. Finn is a great character, but in TFA besides just being used as a device to get the story going he was mainly relegated to comic relief.

 

Would you feel more comfortable if he wasn't force sensitive?

 

I'm not talking about him going down the compactor - what the movie again.

1) No I haven't - you don't remember the movie very well
2) No I haven't, you've been making the case for Finn to be force sensitive.
3) Proven is the wrong term - demonstrate how your "evidence" of him using hte force is not evidence of that.

Wouldn't matter to me, but talking about Finn being force sensitive makes as much sense as talking about the odds of Chewie or Poe being force sensitive.

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he's the audience in TFA.

 

Interesting form of logic. So you are pretty much admitting she is a weak character, and she would easily get lost if there were others besides herself that were force sensitive. If everyone else has to look retarded just so she can look smart it still doesn't say much about her.

 

I don't think Finn or Poe or anyone else looked retarded in the film or that one must be able to use the force to be a good, heroic character

 

I think a point that works against Finn being ALSO force sensitive is that Rey's STORY is being force sensitive. Or rather, that's it's whole point.

The scavenger part of Rey's story is done and over with. And she's no longer someone dealing with being a bystander being swept up in this conflict.

So the Force story is her story.

Meanwhile, Finn's story, much to my chagrin, is still him dealing with being a turncoat from the FO. That's still there in his motivation for TLJ. And it's part of his story arc going back there and infiltrating them.

 

They didn't, but it's obvious people are more comfortable in their skin if the movie was based on hierarchy, and it's not good enough that one person sees them as the one and only, but everyone including the audience has to see that character that way as well.

If she needs the whole spotlight then she isn't a strong character. Strength is strength. Either you have it or you don't.

 

Wait... why are people saying Finn will be the last Jedi???? He’s not even force sensitive! He’s just one of those random people that are in the rebellion and is not that important and besides I think we all know that these movies are focusing on Rey not on Finn.

 

What? No
So far Luke is the last Jedi, Rey will be as soon as she convinces Luke.
Luke be all like " *gumpy-thinky-face* the Jedi gone, no such thing"
Ray be like "please?" An Luke be like "wax on wax off" and Finn be like "Is brave, but no like lightsabering" an Poe be like *zwoosh*"my black x wing be awsum, put sum flame decal on dat!" an Kylo be all like "you should check out this dark side, sis" an Luke be like " u suk dude" an then they blewed up the DeathStar an everybody got medals. Cliffhanger being dark Rey, i thinks.

 

Lol

 

she didn;t get the whole spot light

 

Nope

He's not a jedi now, there's no indication that he'll be a jedi in episode VIII, so the premise of this thread is he'll become a jedi, and be the last jedi, by the end of episode IV.

Nope

I will give you 5-1 odds on every credit I have on this site

 

To be fair, there is no evidence that Finn can't use the force (who can't prove a negative thing) so they COULD take the story that way.

But, logically speaking, we should then also have a "Poe will be hte Last Jedi" and "Chewie will be the Last Jedi" and "Lando will be the last Jedi" threads as well, cause there is no evidence they can't use the force either.

 

What's "fair" in Canada? A 1% chance is 50/50?

8-1 odds, and you do my laundry for a month

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