Will Rey turn to the dark side?

My personal theory is that Kylo turns on Snoke and sacrifices at the end of Episode 9 to save Rey, which would fulfill this weird obsession he has with being like Vader.

 

I've thought that something like that could be too derivative (and we've seen the outlash of some angry fans with stuff like that in TFA) but I do like framing it with Ren's Vader obsession.

 

Filmmaking is deeply political and has always been. The fact that the protagonist of this trilogy is female is absolutely a political statement but so is the fact that two previous trilogies focused on male characters. This choice says something about films and views of the people who created them at the time of their production. People believe that at that time male protagonists were the norm. Tha certainly used to be the case, but times have changed, and so have social norms and audiences' expectations. Box office has become more and more global, so it's natural that people of different cultures, genders and races want to have heroes that resemble them and which they can relate to. If for the last dozen of years you've got all the candy and then someone told you to share with others it can be frustrating but if they got scraps then I believe it's fair to give them a share.

 

Back when we first learned that the ST was goign to feature a female lead I wouldn't have suggested there was a message/agenda being pushed by Kennedy - single female lead character doesn't indicate that. Its just a choice. But since then its become clear there is a message/agenda being pushed, and its going to affect how the story is told.

As for your commentary - I think you're off on several points.

 

Forgive me for intruding upon this conversation but I think you've misunderstood his point. Not that there is a problem with the ST having a female protagonist but the fact that she is a female protagonist is so politically charged by TPTB that it could (potentially) affect the narrative: such as turning to the dark side or falling prey to certain flaws. Luke and Anakin due to be run of the mill white male protagonists, common place as you say, were free to simply be characters rather than being overly defined by their gender/race and the message they send.

There is certainly potential for Rey to fall to the dark side, that look of anger at the end of the duel in TFA and her lonely childhood abandonment, but I find it hard to disagree with the fellow receiving rather overreactive negative ratings in regards to Rey's PR position outside of the in-story universe.

 

Exactly. Thank you. Of course the story can go 1,000 different ways, but when you know something about the people in charge, you can (at least) make educated guesses as to things they won't do - like turn their top female hero into a villain. Not that hard.

and don't worry abotu the negative rating - cawatrooper just likes disagreeing with me whenever she can that second I make a reasonable argument, the negative ratings start coming. Notice they didn't start in this thread until I asked a couple questions cawatrooper couldn't answer......?

 

Didn't give the negative rating to JPY... Not a she... Haven't heard anything reasonable from you... Have a good weekend!

 

Regardless of politics the only thing exaggerated as much as "Finn sucks" is "Rey is to perfect."

She's not perfect.
1- Her pride nearly gets her killed on Jakku but Finn warns her all while she complains and she doesn't get blown up.
2- She buries the MF in the sand multiple times. Not just at take off. Its providence of the Force the Falcon can still fly after the multiple crashes.
3- When faced with a Rathtar for the first time her response is to freeze in place, mouth dropped, covers it with her hand, is pulled to safety by Finn, who ends up getting picked up by the creature.
4- When faced by Kylo she barely survives get paralyzed and knocked out.
5- More than half of her fight with Kylo is her fleeing for her life, despite his injuries from Finn and Chewie.

There are likely more but she's not perfect.

 

I don't think you understand how dramatically different flying a private plane and flying an advanced fighter jet in a heated combat situation really are. And Rey didn't have lightsaber experience, but she obviously had fighting experience with her staff having to survive in a deeply hostile environment. The fact that you see some huge gulf between Rey and Luke still doesn't hold water.

 

I think Rey definitely has her moments of weakness, just like Luke did in the Original Trilogy, but I find it hard to believe she will turn to the Dark Side. A perfect example is the fact that, despite the fact that she spends her life fighting to survive by finding junk to trade for food, she rejects Unkar Plutt's huge offer for BB-8. Even though she's flawed as a person, she's characterized as a morally good person and I feel like having her stray from that—especially if they expect her to go back—would be extremely difficult to do in the remaining two films when there was little to suggest she will turn to the Dark Side in The Force Awakens.

Not to mention, like other people have said, she's a role model for a lot of audience members, especially girls. The thing with Anakin is that he was already established as someone who eventually becomes evil. But Luke, Leia, and Han were always heroes outside of the films—they were heroes to people in the audience, too, and I think, because Star Wars is so universal and reaches so many people, that's something that they want to continue with the future films. Those who are established as heroes are heroes. They face challenges and have moments of weakness, but at the end of the day, they overcome those personal struggles and ultimately end up doing the right thing. I can't imagine them straying from that too much.

 

100% agree with @Trev who made some great points, especially about Rey being a role model; if I might add a point to your catalogue of point, though, it's that in the novelisation of TFA it's hinted that Snoke attempted to have her kill Kylo on Starkiller Base when he was at her mercy, but she relented and overcame this call to the darkness (which had clearly worked on Ben at an earlier point).

Unless we find something mind-bending out in TLJ - which is 100% possible - like Luke killing her real parents or Snoke being some outside force which actually comes with strong ideals to lure her over (i.e. the Jedi merely existing invites challenge, and challenges invites catastrophe, etc.) I think I'm happy to say that I'm pretty confident that she stays Light, especially considering that, in terms of release, the protagonist (or one of the protagonists, rather) - Anakin - turned to the Dark Side just over 10 years ago, and, if anything, I think they'll more likely riff (deliver their take on, not copy, which is what I think Abrams managed with TFA) on the OT rather than PT because of this point alone.

 

Yup, @Julius Fett makes a really good point that I thought of as well. She supposedly resisted temptations from Snoke; however, perhaps in his presence, the temptations will be stronger (strong enough that we might actually see it on-screen more). Regardless, I think she will overcome the temptations and remain a hero unless there's something truly story-altering in The Last Jedi that changes our entire perception of the Jedi Order (and even then, it's pretty unlikely she'll turn to the Dark Side).

 

What a difference connotation has. I think the "role model" argument has far more weight than the ridiculous "Mary Sue" thing.

 

Kate Moss has more weight than the Mary Sue argument

 

Looking at the oppositional parallels of Rey and Kylo I don't think it would make sense for her to turn. He is a privileged aristocrat from a famous family, he has sought power and position. Rey is a junkyard scavenger who even when destiny came knocking turned it away.

 

Rey won't fall to the darkside, I think. But she should face it though. Then rise above it. Hopefully she will get the opportunity.

Same as with the 'lightside'. And the arrogance and judgmentalism that originates from people realizing they are 'better' than everyone else.

Its not about choosing one aspect of your personality...its about accepting both, all of them. The good and the bad, happy and sad, the light and the darkness....then taking responsibility for both.
Nothing good ever came from denying a part of oneself.

And the feeling, it gets left behind
All the innocence lost at one time
Significant, behind the eyes
There's no need to hide...

Listen to Eddie, kids...Eddie knows this.

 

This dad has talent.

 

No I have a pretty good handle on it (I'm also aware a lot of commerial pilots were former miltiary pilots but......) my point is that Luke wasn't flying private planes. He was flying crop dusters. And he used to fly it through a canyon that was alot like the trench on the Death Star. And he used to shoot small animals (make of that what you will) which was a lot like trying to hit the exhaust port.

I don't think you have a handle on how different fighting with a staff and sword are, OR what its like to fight someone who knows what they are doing when you don't. Suggesting its reasonable that Rey could/would be someone like Kylo THE FIRST TIME she picked up the weapon is what doesn't hold water. By your logic, Finn should have beat Kylo - actual combat training, more experience both fighting and with a lightsaber.

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yet no one has actually shot it down yet.....

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And anyone being honest know hows I feel about the Finn sucks stuff.

1 - This is REALLY, REALLY a stretch.
2 - No she doesn't, she flys it perfectly and out flies 2 trained military pilots.
3 - No she literally doesn't -

4 - barely? LMAO, ya owning the bad guy who should better then her is her BARELY surviving.
5 - She isn't fleeing, shes being pushed by WHILE FENDING HIM OFF. She should be defeated in about 5 seconds.

half your list is bs, and the stuff that is true is "she looked at something for a second:" - ohhhhh what a flawed individual.

 

Yes they have. You just don't care and won't let it go