Will Rey turn to the dark side?

if Luke is teaching her to reside in the 'balanced' ground then it seems likely there would be a pull to the dark side at some stage, maybe significant but to be overcome.

 

The similarity with Luke is that Luke flies an extraordinarily difficult military mission - which includes evading one of the most formidable pilots with decades of military flight experience (i.e. Vader) - with no combat flight experience whatsoever. Yes, it's mentioned that he 'bulls-eyed Womprats in his T-16 back home', but saying that this prepared him is a bit like saying that someone who flies a private plane could just jump into an advanced fighter jet and do a surgical bombing run: i.e. totally batshit crazy implausible. But we suspend disbelief, because Luke's story is a kind of religious allegory, about how someone can rally supernatural forces to aid them through virtue and nobility - just as happens in loads of fairy tales. I don't see how Rey's story is that much different, or why some people can't suspend disbelief for her in the way that all Star Wars fans did for Luke...

 

It isn't. It's Anakin and Luke's all over. I tend to think it is closer to Anakin, but it's irrelevant to the point she's no more over powered than her predecessors.

 

No one said there was a problem with strong and/or lead female characters.

After 2+ movies and 4 years of training and experience. Rey did it the first time she used a lightsaber

But Luke doesn't evade him. Biggs blocks for him. Vader misses and hits R2. Then Han saves Luke.

And Luke isn't out of his element - the trench is just like the canyon he used to fly in. And Luke isn't flying a private plane - its more like someone who flys a prop-plane through canyons and chances down animals in a dog fight - not as far a stretch.

Rey has never used a lightsaber before, has never been in a lightsaber fight before, didn't know she could use the force until an hour before the fight and is able to beat Kylo. Sorry, they are not even close to the same. If Leia (who, as far we know) has no piloting experience went toe-to-toe with Vader in an actual Dog Fight....that'd be the same.

 

The whole Forces of Destiny focus on Rey as a powerful, heroic role model to me suggests that it's not going to happen.
The OT evolved into the redemption of Vader, The PT showed his fall. Doubtless we're heading towards a redeemed Kylo (bah! I want damnation dammit!)
The fall and redemption trope is a little tired; far too predictable but if Rey falls then we have to have a redeemed Rey later: yawn.

Personally I hope the twist will be in Rey's dark-side origins. That she learns a shocking truth and fights against the destiny that is presumed for her.

 

Balance is the goal of the light. "Without the Jedi there can be no balance."

Balance is not about equal parts light and dark. Only the light side can hope to bring balance. Because its not a scale its equity within systems, its avoiding greed so that there is enough for all, its careful consumption to not imbalance the environment, its not being selfish in your motives. The dark side creates imbalance because it rejects the balnce to seek its own ends.

 

balance was a poor choice of words by Lucas. Harmony. Peace. Bring Light to the Force. Something like that.

or better yet, just leave the poorly done prophecy element out of the PT and Star Wars altogether.

 

I don't think it is fair to call it bad storytelling considering we don't know her past. There are many theories that explain why she would be able to use those powers so quickly. And for being Kylo, are we forgetting when he got shot in the side with Chewbaccas bowcaster? The same one that flew a stormtrooper back 10 feet? He was injured, and he was in no way trying to defeat Rey. He was told to bring her to Snoke, so that is what she was trying to do. And then he got caught off guard and didn't know what to do.

With that being said, I think they are going to meet again in TLJ and Kylo is going to kick her ass.

 

I agree, and there could be answers. However unless you're going to say there is no point in phrasing or being critical of TFA until we see all 3 the Mary Sue criticism is 100% valid until/unless they address later.

I addressed this above - Kylo was HITTING his wound to help connect him to and get power from the darkside - it was an advantage not a disadvantage. If we look at ESB - Vader wasn't trying to kill Luke but he was still above to control the fight and ultimately defeat him - Kylo should have been able to control Rey, disarm her, remove a hand, injury her so she couldn't fight etc....

 

I guess I just strongly disagree that Kylo would be able to use a hole in his side as an advantage? Maybe you know more about how that works than I do but that doesn't sit well with me.

I don't necessarily disagree with you on the other things either, I am just not passing any judgement on this stuff until I know more.

 

You can not like it, but its there.

The issue with this - he was wounded - excuse is the Finn Fight. He has the same wound but is able to dispatch Finn. Here is the write up from the script -
Despite his fear, Finn raises his blade in welcome. Kylo
Ren CHARGES at him - Finn terrified -- Kylo Ren LUNGES but
Finn DEFLECTS Ren's SPARK-SPITTING blade!
Kylo Ren TURNS, ATTACKS, CUTS -- amazingly Finn BLOCKS,
COUNTER-ATTACKS -- clearly IMPRESSES KYLO REN, who only enjoys
this challenge more!
Rey RECOVERS, gets her bearings. Her eyes focus on the two
men fighting, through the trees.
Kylo Ren is obviously hampered by his wound, yet he attacks
with a primal SAVAGERY -- Finn BLOCKS, turning DEFENSIVE
moves into OFFENSIVE ones. And he ACTUALLY GETS A HIT IN!
LUKE'S SABER GRAZING KYLO REN'S ARM! Kylo MOVES BACK --
wounded, but more enraged than weakened. Kylo Ren CHARGES
AGAIN -- their WEAPONS POUND, SPARKS FLY, their blades LOCK,
the men are CLOSE, LIT BY the powerful, CRASHING sabers:
And Kylo Ren PUSHES FINN BACK, attacks with pure ferocity --
Finn is stunned -- unprepared for this fierceness.
Rey sees this -- Kylo Ren unleashes a MERCILESS SERIES OF
BLOWS, pushing Finn further and further back until he loses
balance

So even hampered by his wound (which we do see him HITTING, and we're told here is secondary to his rage) he take out Finn in probably less then a minute.

Once it Rey gets into the fight, this is what the script says -
FOR THE FIRST TIME, HER EYES BLAZING.
Kylo Ren IGNITES HIS SABER.
It's REY who charges now -- Kylo Ren immediately on the
defensive. They BATTLE POWERFULLY -- He is clearly rocked
by her raw, innate skill.

her raw, innate skill. Its ot Kylo's wound holding him back, its that Rey is just too good. A bit later in the script -
EXT. FOREST - NIGHT
Amid the BARE WHITE TREES, ONLY TWO LIGHTSABERS -- LUKE'S
BLUE AND REN'S YELLOW-RED -- ILLUMINATE the FLURRIES OF SNOW
as Rey and Kylo Ren BATTLE HARD.
She seems to be, impossibly, STRONGER THAN HE IS for half a
dozen blows -- until he FINDS HIS STRENGTH and FIGHTS BACK --
MOVING FORWARD and PUSHING REY BACK, into the forest.
Suddenly a COLOSSAL CHUNK OF THE FOREST RIGHT BEHIND REY
DROPS AWAY! Rey is suddenly fighting on the EDGE OF A

Again its NOT Kylo's wound holding him back, its Rey seems to be STRONGER THEN HE IS. Someone who is untrained in the force, who has never held a lightsaber before is STRONGER then a trained, experienced combatant. This is where the Mary Sue stuff comes from. And when Rey finally defeats Kylo -
REY
The Force.
Rey closes her eyes for a long beat. When Rey opens them,
she is centered, fortified, and she POUNDS BACK, SINGLE HANDED
SWIPES, hitting Ren's gnarly, spitting saber with incredible
FORCE. It's so fast now, so furious, that Kylo Ren FALLS
BACK -- She ATTACKS HARDER!
Ren gets up again but she HITS HIS SABER'S HILT -- HIS BLADE
GOES FLYING OFF, TUMBLING INTO THE SNOW -- and she SLASHES

Once again its Rey's strength and skill, NOT Kylo faltering because of a wound (that we see him hitting to strengthen himself earlier on)

--- Double Post Merged, Jul 21, 2017, Original Post Date: Jul 21, 2017 ---

You can hold off judgement until the full story is told, but by that logic you can't say Rey isn't a Mary Sue and Kylo lost because of his wound either. By definition you've take a position of no position. What if Kylo drawing strength from pain is expanded on in the next two movies as well?

 

I feel like we are on the same side here without understanding each other. But first, maybe I am just seeing it in this script, but where does it state that his wound gives him strength? It says he is "hampered" by his wound, but I don't see anything about him becoming stronger by hitting it.

But I do agree that Rey is extremely skilled, that is why I don't like people saying it is bad storytelling, because she clearly isn't a rookie. We don't know the extent of any training, but it's pretty clear this isn't her first time.

 

Hitting his wound isn't int he script,. Abrams has said he added that one set.

Thats the problem - it appears she is a rookie. Even if she was trained before being dropped off on Jakku (she was what, 8 or so in that scene?) shew ouldn't have had that much training, and the last training she had was over 10 years before the fight with Kylo.

Oh, alsof rom the script -
LUKE'S LIGHTSABER VIBRATES IN THE SNOW.
Kylo Ren GESTURES, INCREASES HIS POWER -- LUKE'S LIGHTSABER

FINALLY FLIES OUT OF THE SNOW, BULLETS TOWARD KYLO REN --
-- AND SPEEDS PAST HIM!
KYLO REN TURNS TO SEE LUKE'S LIGHTSABER LAND IN THE HAND OF
REY, WHO STANDS, FACING HIM, HAVING REACHED FOR IT HERSELF,
BUT UTTERLY STUNNED THAT IT LANDED IN HER HAND! SHE IS
SHOCKED -- AND SO IS KYLO REN!
Holding it with both hands, SHE IGNITES LUKE'S LIGHTSABER

Rey is STUNNED she was able to pull the lightsaber into her hand. Is an experienced person stunned by doing something?

 

Well you know why she's so good....


Also, it is very clear that any training she had, she doesn't remember... I thought that went without saying.

 

Midichlorians don't = great a lightsaber combat. An ongoing story int he new comics is Luke trying to learn how to use a lightsaber.

If she doesn't remember how did she beat Kylo?

 

Midichlorians was a joke.

The movie is called "The Force Awakens". She didn't know she had these abilities, and then they "awoke" in her.

 

Raw force potential and some basic ability (like pushing Kylo out of her mind). But lightsaber combat? Why didn't Anakin or Luke magically know how to use a lightsaber then?

and is it really joke when you then say thast the reason?

 

At this point I'm not sure what they actually do except complicate things

 

He used a meme of the conspiracy theorist guy that is commonly used as a joke to denote fake theories... so yeah.

Edit: Love how CR rated this as "Clouded". If anyone needs proof of how fragile an ego can be, here you go (with additional proof of him trying to stand his ground in the response to this post later).

 

I highly doubt she'll turn to the darkside. Just because she's being hailed as a role model for young girls. If suddenly she starts killing younglings or something, it might send mixed signals.