THREAD FOR THOSE WHO HATED THE MOVIE

That is one of 2 things that really confused me. It's like they know there are problems but are determined to swim against the current regardless. It would have been so easy for them to do engage in political stage craft where they say they recognize there were some issues without ever saying that they were actually wrong or that they made a mistake... most people would just fill in the blanks on their own and assume that's what was meant. That's why politicians do it.

The other part that makes no sense to me is, they have data points for what happens when they create a story that caters to the existing fan base and what type of box office returns result. Sure, there is the time delay between ROTS and TFA that helps, but people left genuinely liking TFA and excited for TLJ and excited about specific things. I don't know anyone who has a specific thing they are excited about seeing in EPIX (in large part because nothing specific has been set up for anyone). But if we know we have a good likelihood for financial success and other-worldly box office returns by creating a story that caters to a fan base that has existed for literal decades, what sense does it make to pivot to a story that caters to an unproven fan base? But not only that, why opt for a story that will deliberately "eye poke" the existing fan base that just demonstrated their enthusiasm for the franchise by doing multiple viewings of TFA?

I honestly don't think we've seen the full effect of the subversion of TLJ. I think that even where they sit right now, TLJ probably over performed, because I suspect many people bought multiple advanced view tickets or otherwise made multiple purchases that, that they otherwise would not have done (i.e. taking nephews, nieces, children, etc to see it) based on their enjoyment of the film. I also think EPIX initial openings numbers will be less than would be expected for a 3rd installment of SW. I don't think there is excitement going into EPIX like there was for TLJ. If EPIX turns out to be more of a SW movie than TLJ, then the 2nd, 3rd, and 4th weeks numbers will be stronger than usual as word of mouth advertising help spur sales. I don't think they'll have the front end sales anymore until they prove they're making a product that core fans want.

 

exactly like for me, bought 4 tickets for TLJ in advance, but could not stand to watch it more than the 2 screenings on opening day. The 2nd screening only because I was there with a friend. Just left the remaining 2 tickets unused. No tickets for any SW movie anymore for me and also no merch, novels, toys ect.

 

Merch was completely out of the question after TLJ. I only bought the one ticket to the Thursday screening and was planning when during the week I could sneak away to see it again, and after that one screening I knew was done. I've only rewatched segments on youtube to see what I may have missed in my first and only viewing. I was planning to add the ST to my video collection but I'll skip Episode 8, I'm good.

 

Good post

For the next episode and probably for the Solo movie people are now verging towards waiting for the home release to come out or are just going to torrent/download the movie illegally

I've seen this, read and heard this many times over the last few weeks from various different people and various sites

I have yet to speak to a single person I know who likes the film and that is from every demographic age/race/sex and that is close to 30 people

It's only online that I am seeing people who are defending it

 

It's been a month since last time.

Current audience/user scores update (February 25)
Douban (China) 7.3 out of 10 (tied for 2nd worst rated SW live-action movie)
Allocine (France): 2.9 out of 5 (worst rated SW live-action movie)
Yahoo! Movies (Japan): 3.7 out of 5 (worst rated SW live-action movie)
MyMovies (Italy): 2.63 out of 5 (worst rated SW live-action movie)
Daum (S. Korea): 5.9 out of 10 (worst rated SW live-action movie)
Filmaffinity (Spain): 6.3 out of 10 (tied with Attack of the Clones for 2nd worst rated SW live action movie)
IMDb: 7.5 (weighted) and 7.1 (unweighted) out of 10 (3rd worst rated SW live-action movie above Attack of the Clones and The Phantom Menace)
Metacritic: 4.5 out of 10 (worst rated SW live-action movie)
Rotten Tomatoes: 3 out of 5 (48% liked) (worst rated SW live-action movie)

 

That is damning

Not surprised at all

 

Yet Rian Johnson continues to blame the backlash on racist and sexist fans. He’s delusional.

 

No, he's not. People who simply dislike a film just move on with their lives.

 

so the message to people who supported the franchise with thousands of dollars/euros for 30-40 years get the message 'shut up and leave, you are not worth the time. Get a life'? I do understand Colin's message now very well. We are not milking cows and we are not idiots.

 

No way, this can't be true?? Low audience ratings on multiple sites? Well, this has to be just a couple of people spamming, or those pesky bots again. Almost everyone loved TLJ and thought it was a wonderful movie. There's no way these are real. I refuse to believe these!! Sorry, I'll turn off the sarcasm now.

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When will people who like the film do the same and stop bashing those with criticisms of it then? Is there a time limit on talking about dislike of a film now?

 

I find the movie a bit sexist and racist, so they can attempt to hide behind checklist diversity and fraudulent feminism all they'd like. The central story of The Last Jedi is white male anguish (with Kylo Ren and Luke); Rey and Finn and Poe are not defining part of this movie's story, and nobody wants to see HBO softcore porn star Adam Driver as a lead in anything outside of a bunch of tumblr sex perverts.

 

LOL!! I think Adam Driver is a good actor and I have a lot of respect for his military service and what he continues to do for veterans. He seems like a nice enough guy, but he just doesn't have that on-screen charisma of say, Harrison Ford, and many other male actors as well. He plays the role of unbalanced, angry Kylo Ren very well, but he's not leading man material. As for the tumblr sex perverts - that's some scary stuff right there!!

 

Wonderful Post. Claps hands in agreement

 

Luke's final confrontation with Kylo felt like a B-movie. Everything from the cheesy slow-mo to the dialogue was just.. ugh.

..and Red Letter Media was sadly correct to say that Luke looked like Billy Mays

 

You realize this is a thread for 'those who hate the movie' right? I assumed you liked or loved the movie, so you sound like the one who needs to move on and stop worrying what the anti-TLJ fans think regarding the movie. I loved TFA, I think I'm going to head to the 'For those who hated TFA' thread and chastise them!

 

This isn't just a "film" it's a franchise that many of us threw our hearts into from a young age. It inspired what we did with our lives.

TLJ took the plot in a VERY boring direction imo. I can see why some fans would keep going on about it.

I'll be checking out of it completely if Rian's trilogy is a misfire.

 

But what would we do without the TLJ lovers coming in and setting us straight? Because of this forum I have learned that I am a sexist, racist and an overall bad person because I don't like this movie. It's been life changing!

 

Looks like the novelization leaks and CT have stirred the pot again.

It is still very odd to me that people cannot accept that this film alienated a lot of people. By now, the intelligent folks can differentiate the crazies from the hardcore fans who actually love Star Wars, perhaps TFA and were onboard before mid-December. They ask us to specify our comments as subjective, but don't account for their own as well. I guess we can say that's highly hypocritical. Something misfired with this film, otherwise you wouldn't see complaints like this - just look at every comment section of the SW Facebook page since the release. Nothing like this after TFA. There is no use crying over spilled milk, but you have to wonder why they want to keep trolling some of the fan base - or so it appears with the novelization. It is a weird dynamic in their business plan - maybe 20 years from now I could understand, but an odd choice for 2018. I really think they are getting off on it in a weird way - I know some gushers on the board are too.

I also try to remain positive for 9, but right now, LFL reminds me of bad politicians doubling down on things because they don't want to accept they may have been mistaken about them. I don't expect every brand to cater to me, however I have dedicated a lot of my time and money to Star Wars. I think any customer can expect respect to a degree, otherwise they shop elsewhere, but I have been shopping here for a hell of a long time and my intention is to not leave. I would hate to be something or someone the lovers of this movie describe. Someone or something you love doesn't do something you expect or like. Send'em packin instead of expecting an initial dialogue.

At least I can sleep at night knowing I'm not Rian Johnson. That poor bastard is going to have a very unfriendly existence with half the fandom for the next decade or so.

Every time I think about the post-Disney sale of SW, I always assumed they would just kind of leave the OT characters alone and pass the baton, creating the new SW era. It wouldn't have been hard to do. Totally fine with adding to the mythology. Kath, Rian and JJ - just leave that OT room alone.... mmm kay?

 

I think Disney, RJ and now JJ are only making things worse by trolling the fans as they continue to come up with excuse after excuse as to why we didn't like it. The one thing I will give Lucas about the PT (mostly because he was not on social media so he couldn't fire back at the fans) is he sort of stood by his work and took his lumps. Yes, he made some comments over the years about the fans, but nothing to this proportion. The irony is that in a weird way I sort of appreciate the PT more now after TLJ, because they were their own thing so you could take them or leave them. TLJ has ruined TFA for fans like me who loved it, and made me question whether I even care about Episode 9 at this point?

As for the OT characters, I will continue to say that Disney had 2 choices: Either have them as cameos in Episode 7 and let them pass the torch. Or if they are going to play a prominent role in the ST, you better damn well develop them in a respectful way. Nobody has a problem with the growth of a legendary character, but you can't just stomp on them and then move on.

People keep asking me what has changed in your fandom that TLJ affected you that much? The hype and the rush for the next SW movie is gone and that is the honest truth. As far back as 1981, I remember anxiously waiting for the summer of 1983 to come. Even though each PT movie was a letdown, I never lost that rush for the next movie, as Lucas still gave us something to look forward: The Clone Wars, The Rise of the Empire, The Rise of Darth Vader, etc. I still couldn't wait for 2002, or 2005 just like I couldn't wait for 1983. TFA was a homerun for me as SW was back as I thought JJ hit it out of the park, and R1 was a solid movie as it was an appetizer to Episode 8. Episode 8 made me question why I should care about any future movie if this is the storytelling they think fans want? I know there are fans who loved or like TLJ, but it still remains the only SW film (I have seen everyone since 1977) that I only saw once in the theater. And I honestly had no desire to go back!

For all of the Pro-TLJ fans who troll in here and wonder, "OK, so why are still posting?" I can easily answer that, because I love TFA and I don't know what to do with this Trilogy where I love Part 1 and hate Part 2, and don't really care about Part 3. Do I watch TFA as a Standalone movie? Do I watch TFA as maybe the final movie in the Saga 1-7 and Luke being on that Island with Rey is the REAL ending of the Saga for me? I'm still trying to sort things out, so talking to you guys and seeing your take on things is like therapy to me.

It burns me up because if JJ would have directed Episode 8, I know I would have loved it and I may have loved this Trilogy just as much as the OT. Disney had me after TFA, as I had full faith in them and they just lost me for anything else in the future.