THREAD FOR THOSE WHO HATED THE MOVIE

I did theorize at one point that maybe instead of a trilogy they could do a quadrilogy. Set up some actual obstacle/challenge for the main characters (especially for Rey) in Episoide 9, and then in Episode 10 resolve it. Might be impossible though because I get the feeling that though she appreciates the platform it's provided her, I don't think Star Wars has been a fun experience for Daisy Ridley... like at all. She seems to have a heightened sensitivity to her work and a lot of the slings and arrows that have nothing to do with her (and more about the bad planning and writing of SW) are nonetheless hitting her. I don't think she'd sign on to do another SW movie anytime soon after she fulfills her contractual obligation. And in some ways, I wouldn't blame her. If they did 2 more movies to wrap things up, I think they could salvage the mess that's been made between creating great expectations in TFA and subverting all of them in TLJ... but I don't see it happening. They're probably all tired of SW, even Boyega seems less enthusiastic about it. One more movie is realistically all we can expect, because they'll all be burnt out.

 

Honestly, I have no idea what to think. It's crazy to me that they would have had nothing mapped out and gave each director freedom to do whatever, but that appears to be the idea they're pushing. I sort of wish they'd all shut up about it!

 

Nah Daisy won't sign up again. John seems to have lost all interest. Can't blame them to be fair.

 

Which orifice did you pull this conjecture out of?

 

Colin Trevorrow, former director/writer of Star Wars: Episode IX: "I assure you, we are working diligently to make sure we present something fans will love [with Episode IX]." (June 16, 2017)

 

I wonder how much - if any parts of CT script is been used by JJ?

 

WAITAMINUTE! The new trilogy is built for a new generation, BUT NOT AT THE EXPENSE OF THE FANDOM? IS THIS A JOKE?!!! IS TRYING TO BE FUNNY?!!

 

I think he's talking about the new Jurassic Park trilogy, but with maybe a dig at the SW sequel trilogy.

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I feel like they need to do two more movies to tie up the ST after the mess of TLJ, but I'm sure that won't happen. I'm not sure what to make of Daisy and the cast, but it did seem to me that when I watched their pre TLJ interviews on talk shows that they weren't all that enthusiastic. They all seemed excited during interviews right before TFA, this time, not so much. Who knows, maybe they are all ready to move on and I can't say that I blame them!

 

They really do seem burnt out, the media campaign for Star Wars promotion is about as rigorous as they get. I can't think of more than 3 or 4 other movie franchises that have a similar build up and long term commitment. I was honestly surprised in some regards that they got JJ to come back for EPIX, I didn't think he would. It will be interesting to see (after all this fall out) how they will handle marketing of Rian's trilogy. If they proceed with a posture similar to posters on this board who liked TLJ, the franchise will suffer measurably. But, if they think it's worth it in order to tell the story they want, maybe they'll do it anyway.

 

They'll do whatever kind of marketing they want with Rian's new garbage, if it happens. You'll have to tell me about the marketing for that because I have zero interest in any Star Wars project that Rian Johnson is involved with. Someone would have to drug me, drag me to the theatre, then chain me to the seat to get me to go see another SW movie by him!

 

I honestly felt that he didn't respect the legacy of SW and so I am skeptical of why anyone who was pulled in by the lore that existed prior to Rian would be interested in his projects going forward. But SW is a brand, and marketing does work. So I assume the same people who weren't disturbed by his unbroken chain of subversion in TLJ (because they had no connection the PT or OT) that maybe they'll fall in line behind his trilogy.

There is nothing right now that excites me about a RJ trilogy. Being a SW fan, I can never say never (I wasn't on the edge of my seat waiting for R1 when it came out, and it turned out to be great, and I have a much higher interest in seeing Solo now just on how glorious that trailer looked), but as of right now I have no intention of having anything to do with the Rian trilogy.

 

I have no intention to watch Solo, IX or Rian's trilogy. I'm more or less at the edge of leaving fandom a 2nd time. I did the same when Mara Jade was killed off in old EU and only returned with the announcement of the OT3 beeing in the ST (what a waste). I guess this time it will be forever and this after 35 years in the fandom.

 

He didn't respect any of the legacy of SW and the same people who thought that his throwing out the lore, "subverting expectations" and making a general mess of this new trilogy was just wonderful will be the ones who will be eating up whatever new trash he puts out. Good for them, but I will not go anywhere near any SW movie with this name on it. I will give Solo and any more spinoff movies a chance, but I will be VERY cautious before buying a ticket to Ep. IX. I will be looking at spoilers and fan reaction before I even think of spending money on a ticket. I bought advanced tickets to TLJ and even agreed to go see it twice on opening weekend. What a mistake that was and a huge waste of money! Lesson learned, and I won't make that mistake again.

I'm genuinely curious about Solo, plus it comes out right before my husband's birthday and he wants to see it. So chances are very high that I'll be spending money on tickets for that! Episode IX will be a wait and see type thing. There will no buying of tickets in advance and probably no seeing it on opening weekend. 0% chance of ever seeing RJ's trilogy, which I have doubts about whether that will happen anyway, but we'll see. I haven't read any EU books, but from what I've heard, those stories are better than what we are getting with the ST. I do know that in the EU, Luke turns out better and doesn't die a bitter, old, crusty, virgin hermit. That sounds better already!

 

Today is my first day back on the forums since the release of TFA. TFA has grown on me and I greatly appreciate it as a re-entry to the Star Wars franchise. It was the right move by Disney for both new and old audiences. I have been watching Star Wars since day one and hold it very close to my heart, as many of you do as well.

I saw TFA in theaters several times, purchased it on BluRay, and again when released in 3D. It isn't my favorite, but I respect it much more than I did the first time I saw it. TFA set up so many elements that made me look forward to episode VIII. I was anxious to learn more about Rey, Finn, Kylo, Luke, etc. When TLJ came out, I could barely make it through the movie. My brother and I (he too a die-hard Star Wars fan) could barely make it through some scenes like Leia flying through space and Rose crashing into Finn without laughing - we were so close to just walking out of the movie because it was just so....bad. I've already made a thread voicing my concerns about how I feel they wrote these movies one at a time and didn't consider the arc aspect of a trilogy. This seems to be incredibly obvious after hearing what Rian was allowed to do with his writing and directing decisions and that JJ is so happy to have a script in hand only months before filming. It appears as though this movie was engineered by individuals, or an incredibly small narrow minded team rather than carefully written by a squad of Star Wars loving professionals with a clear thought out plan.

I have watched youtube reviews, listened to friends and family... and TLJ is just a horrible, horrible film. It has absolutely shaken my faith in the future of Star Wars and truly saddens me.

I'm sorry, I just had to get this out - and it will make me feel better to know that there are more of you out there that feel this way. I'm not excited about the release on BluRay, I will not buy it, I'm less interested in the Han Solo movie, I haven't bought any merchandise, and I have no desire what-so-ever to speculate about Episode IX as I did from VII to VIII. I still love Star Wars, but for me it ends at the end of TFA when Rey hands Luke his lightsaber.

Sorry to be a bummer, but I'm not alone, right?

 

You are definitely not alone. Never would I, in a million years, have believed I could skip buying a Star Wars movie. Unbelievably, that day has come. I will wait to see where this goes with IX before I buy anything more from the new canon. I have kind of run back to the legends novels for now, which has pacified me some. I'm over the initial displeasure, but voicing dissenting opinions outside of this thread will result in replies that cause head scratching, hair pulling madness. I still love Star Wars, but this one has made me reconsider how I will define that, which I never had to do before. Like you, maybe I can let it end with 7.

 

You're not alone in this! Just a warning though, there will be some on here that cut you down and mock every opinion you have, try to ignore them and move on. I enjoyed TFA and felt like it was a good relaunch of the saga. I'm not blind to some of the issues it had and it definitely borrowed a lot from ANH, but I enjoyed it anyway. Like you, I could barely make it through TLJ. I had already read some of the leaks and was hoping that they were either lies from the internet or wouldn't play out as bad. I was wrong! It was worse than I thought. There were people in my theatre laughing when Leia was doing her Mary Poppins impression, and making comments during other bad scenes. It was hard to sit through it. I felt like TLJ made TFA null and void and nothing in that film matters anymore. For me, SW now ends at Ep. 6 and I did enjoy Rogue One as well. I'm not buying TLJ blu ray either, though my husband insists we buy it so we have the entire set. I don't know why, he hates it more than I do! He'll have to buy it himself because I won't. TLJ was a bad movie in general, an awful SW movie, but an even worse movie.

 

This is exactly what I went through as well and this after beeing 35 years into the franchise. It destroyed so much that made me happy all these years. The same for me and no other SW movie like Solo or IX, cancelled all the books I had on pre-order and no merch since TLJ was out. SW was something that I loved so much, how could they accept such a poor script. I just don't understand it.

 

What is very telling is how very quite Kathleen Kennedy has been since huge numbers of people have shown their dislike of TLJ. The noise is getting louder as people can see on so many websites like this, Collider etc that the praise the film is getting does not match the actual product and it is making things worse! It would have been better if they had just admitted that this film has many problems instead of all the damage limitation they have been doing since and even before the film came out!