3 Reasons only Ben Solo can successfully re-start the Jedi Order

According to Yoda Rey already knows everything for being a Jedi. But Kylo doesn't seem to be much of trained Jedi too. It actually feels like that his encounter with Rey and later the encounter with Snoke's guards were his first real fights.

That would actually be very helpful for future generations of Jedi.

There are many ways to redeem Kylo Ren. His mother (even though Carrie Fisher is dead) is still in the mix btw.

 

i think Leia is in until we know 100% for sure that she isn't.
there are a number of ways they can handle her presence (and/or lack thereof) in ix.

interesting side note: in the original screenplay for TFA, Snoke does mention Leia and it provokes Ben to change the subject (whereas he's "okay" with Snoke talking about Han). also, Han's original line on the bride was "your mother misses you", which was changed to "we miss you". so it seems like there is an intention there (or was) for Leia's relationship with Ben to be a kep point. also, ix was supposed to be Leia's movie (as TFA was Han's, and TLJ was Luke's). while obviously they've had to rewrite the script, that doesn't mean Leia (and her relationship with Ben) won't still be prominent.

i agree that the first two points make for compelling reasons for Ben to help rebuild the Jedi. disagree with the third. seeing as Ben's problems partly stem of his sense of things he "must" do, i think it's imperative that his redemption is founded on things he will choose to do. and while i can see him maybe willing to be a teacher in some sense (because of point number two), i feel doubtful that he would want to specifically raise the Jedi. his feelings could certainly change, but at the moment i don't see him making the leap from "let it all die" to "let's rebuild the Jedi". i think, even redeemed, he will always walk somewhere in the middle.

 

THIS. absolutely this.

 

But what he did isn't as much "failure" as, well, achieving to become one of the worst living beings in the Galaxy.

Really, I don't want Kylo Ren to redeem at all, but if he does, no, he shouldn't bring the Jedi order back at all.

This would be akin to "3 Reasons only Hitler can successfully re-start World Peace"

 

Klyo deserves redemption for the sake of legacy of Leia and Han.
We need to honor Star Wars legacy in all its aspects and this is one of them.

But not before he receives catharsis trough the only thing he understands, proper kick of his butt by Rey which will almost certainly happen.

Than for the first time in his life he should became actually aware what he has done (including some of his fans) ,confess his sins in front of Rey, and than under the surrender terms sign separate requests for re-admission to Skywalker - Solo familly ,Jedi order, and to human race.

 

I have to disagree on all points.

1- Yoda- she has everything she needs from those books.

2- She tasted the Dark Side she was tempted to the Dark Side and refused it in the Throne Room. That moment where she was forced to chose was the result of a ridiculous failure in judgement. Where she believed she could save Kylo and "do what Luke would not." Which Luke described as the laughable "take on the whole 1st Order with a laser sword.

3- Can he be redeemed maybe. But people are still somehow not getting that Kylo is the Big Bad Guy. He always was even before frame one of TFA.

 

I'll keep it short and simple.

Kylo dies. Circle wipe & roll credits.

 

Interesting ideas! Here's my rebuttal though. WARNING MAJOR REBELS SPOILERS!!!!!

The Knights of Ren are still most likely out there, but I get your point. HOWEVER! There are two people out there that have more experience than even Ben. Ezra Bridger and Ahsoka Tano.

You're right, and that's an important side to have. But not a necessary one. Ezra has been tempted by the Dark Side too. He was open to learning its secrets and its ways. He encountered multiple Dark Side users. He would be able to preach about the dangers of the Dark Side and be far more mature about it than Ben.

Again a great point. But thematically, death would be fine for him too. In TFA we saw Kylo try to imitate Vader in every way he could. In TLJ, we see him try to reject everything about his history and past. Sacrificing himself for Rey in a way that allows her to build a new Jedi order might be the best completion of his arcs throughout the movies. He goes out like Vader but his death is starting something unburdened by the teachings of the flawed Jedi Order. Something new.

I think it'd be Rey with Ben at her side! But I don't hate the idea and this is me being more of a Devil's Advocate than anything else.

 

Almost perfect.

 

I like the idea, I see problems arising very quickly though. How can someone tell a Jedi from a Sith or dark force user? Why would ordinary people trust a Jedi's judgment if there's no governing body, or no way to fact check? The only way to defend against this is through having an institution (as much as I agree they mostly suck, we don't have an alternative in the real world, doubt SW will figure it out) and someone for Jedi to answer to, and thus a power to root out those who corrupt their teachings.

Unless if the galaxy becomes ruled by the law of the jungle... might makes right. So force users are powerful, all "normal's" better listen to them or fear their wrath. That doesn't strike me as something Rey would want though. It would be an interesting progression to see her go through those growing an learning pains though. Even seeing how governments try and figure it out.

As for Kylo.... I hope he doesn't die. We've seen that already in Vader. I'd like to see him live and suffer from all of what he's done. There's a book series that reminded me of SW... Star of the Guardians by Margaret Weiss... where her "Vader" stand in turns to good and tries to redeem himself. I'd like to see that on screen.