3 Reasons only Ben Solo can successfully re-start the Jedi Order

not that it matters that much now, but I hope Kylo/Ben is killed off in the end. Not sure what is worse, Rey without training starting the Jedi order or evil killer Kylo/Ben. Both scenarios are horrible.

 

what if Rey were to fall to the dark side and Kylo Ren turn back to the light side? that would be something interesting but i don't see how that could happen.
still, that would leave an option for Ben to rebuild the jedi order

 

while i don't want to see Ben build the Jedi order specifically, i do like your thoughtful take on his character in the context of what Star Wars teaches us, and also very much appreciate your optimism! : D

 

I'm not sure that Ben can ever actually be a Jedi in the traditional sense. he can't ever forget what he did, and either he will never forgive himself or he won't think he needs forgiveness... either way it's not a recipe for success.

i personally think that if there is to be Force sensitives being trained at the end of ep9... it will be Rey and Ben running it together, but Ben will be exactly as he is now.

how Ben is now is down to personal opinion, but i think that he is no longer consumed by the dark side and no longer scared of the light. We saw in TLJ that Rey is absolutely not afraid to face the dark side (to the point that it shocked Luke).

the old Jedi ways have failed every time. they must learn from failure and try something new.

 

absolutely! on both points! : D

balance!!! : D

 

For me the big 3 and especially Luke is already wrecked beyond repair.

 

It's amazing how opinions can differ. For me the big 3 aren't wrecked at all. Han was Han in TFA (maybe that was a little bit boring). Luke was almost exactly like I wanted him to be in TLJ (a realistic development compared to the nonsense in the old EU). Leia is the only one I'm not sure about yet. We have to wait and see how they will deal with her character in IX.

 

as @NinjaRen said.. it's amazing how differently we all view Han/Leia/Luke at this stage of the saga.

I personally think Han was that absolute legend in TFA that i remember from 30 years ago. more so infact.. he stepped up to the plate AGAIN when the galaxy was under threat, and then he gave his life saving his son (and yes - i think he saved his son on that bridge)

Leia i believe was set for a grand stand episode 9 with her son, but i think she was absolutely awesome in TLJ (every scene imo)

Luke could not be a wise and all powerful Jedi Master.. he had to have fallen in some way else we had no sequal trilogy. Look at what he did at the end of TLJ - we have never even heard of a use of the force like that before.. it was staggering what he did. staggering!
The only way that Snoke and the FO could get a foot hold in the galaxy was by Snoke getting to Ben and breaking them both emotionally.. Luke + Ben + Luke's academy jedi would have been far too powerful for the FO and Snoke.

what exactly should Luke have done? ignored what he saw in Ben's head and continue his training and try to save him like he did with Anakin?... that involved light sabers as well lest we remember, and ultimately.. Anakin's choice and Anakin's death.

Should Luke have followed Rey and got back in the fight? If Luke had gone with Rey to Crait, then either Ben kills him (and that would have pushed Ben full dark side again) or Luke kills Ben.. not sure anyone would want to see Luke kill his nephew on the big screen?

Luke instead used the force to give his nephew one final lesson... he used the force to buy time for the resistance to escape, and most of all he used the force to give the entire galaxy a spark of hope.
it gives me chills just thinking about what Luke did, and then the twin suns... wow.

 

You don't have to like Kylo but you can't call him 2 bit villain.
1- His betrayal wrecked the Happy Ending of the Big 3. Luke did not rebuild the Jedi. Han and Leia did not live happily ever after. Before TFA even starts Kylo has hurt the heroes more than any of the other villains in the Saga.
2- He also has achieved what Vader never did. Kill his master and assume the throne of the Entire Galaxy.

Do you really think there is NO Skywalker or Solo legacy if Kylo dies. Is legacy only measured by prodigy or do our actions, ideals and efforts live on in those that continue to take the torch further.

 

Honestly, Ben Solo dying as Kylo Ren Un-redeemed would not do justice to the big 3’s story at all. Just because he killed Han, doesn’t mean that he is not redeemable either. I believe that in order for Han Solo’s death to have purpose, Ben needs to see the error of his ways and be redeemed.

 

Yes, we indeed have seen a completely different movie, because for me Luke was portrayed as a full failure and I'm not the only one who got this perception. He died with his legacy beeing destroyed by himself. Indeed he wanted to die before and he managed to succeed in the end with the Jedi dying too. Rey superhero will start whatever these new 'Avengers' of hers will be called.

At least Kylo dying unredeemed in the most painful way would be something I could laugh a little about.

 

Maybe you didn't notice it, but Luke achieved two huge things:
1) He saved the Resistance.
2) He pushed Kylo's redemption even further. Think about it. Kylo wants to kill his family to destroy all his inner light. But Luke was one step ahead of his nephew and killed himself. Now Kylo can never ever get full dark side. Luke is a genius and troll at the same time.

 

1.) He saved only his sister and a handul of now called rebels. Nothing worth mentioning in the big picture, because we had broom boy who got the rebel ring from Rose, so he could have started a rebellion on his own in IX.
2.) Kylo killed his father, tortured Rey and killed millions of people on the blown up planets. If this is not full dark side, then I have no idea what you see as dark side.

 

Of course it's worthing mentioning in the big picture. They can regroup now and strike back. Without Luke the war would have been over.

"Remember that the darkest hour of all is the hour before day."

 

If Kylo survives the trilogy, I can see him taking the Barash vow as a penance, disengaging from everything but the force and living near some old jedi temple.

As for Rey, she doesn't need traditionally trained jedi to help her if she sets up a new version of the jedi with no political ties and no fixed base of operations. She can always get guidance from Maz and force ghost Luke. I would personally like them to bring Ahsoka into the movies somehow.