A reply to most of the TLJ negative criticism.

The situation between Luke and Kylo Ren was not my only concern regarding "The Last Jedi". As for Luke's capability of committing violence, I'm very well aware that he was capable of it. I've seen "Return of the Jedi" many times. In fact, I have expressed by doubts that he would have pulled back from his murderous rage against his father if Palpatine's own ego and big mouth had not gotten in the way.

But since you're mainly focusing on Luke and Ren in this latest movie, I'll add that it was the manner or circumstances of Luke's action in that flashback that I find questionable. Considering that Kylo Ren was his nephew, I believe that Luke would have confronted the latter before contemplating any other form of action.

 

I think that because Luke throws down his saber and doesn't kill Vader, people think he has been cured of the Dark Side. Meh.

 

It's fascinating how people who didn't like the movie are, for the most part, able to keep their criticism within one single thread (Thread for those who hated the movie).

Meanwhile, I've seen countless and countless of new threads started by members that are essentially, simply put "backlash to the backlash". Where does this desperate, often angry desire to defend TLJ like beating a dead horse come from?

 

I wasn't joking.

In TPM they sensed something dangerous about Anakin, as a BOY. Later, as he matured, they didn't sense that anymore. He was a member of the Jedi Order, but distrusted.

Luke senses darkness in Kylo as an ADULT.

That was not lore setup from Episode 1-6. The lore was sensing darkness in children. GL setup these "rules" to be followed by referring to canon.

Take the jedi mind trick from TFA. EVERY jedi mind trick before that was done with hand gesture. ALL of them. Rey's? Nope.

They are not following canon, so this sequel trilogy IS NOT CANON. Its a casual fan film for casual SW fans.

 

He blew up a battle station with over a million people on it. I am sure he has coping mechanisms.

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I think it is pretty safe assumption that Luke hid the final piece of his location in R2D2. Luke was the last person to converse with R2D2 before his shut down. Based on the way they setup TFA. I figured R2 was to laying dormant under instruction from Luke that he was not to come back to live until a certain person arrived to help Leia. This what makes TLJ so bad, it basically ignored everything that happened literally 15 minutes before in all of TFA.

 

This was already explained in canon R2's map was just something he downloaded from the deathstar.

 

Honestly not sure. There are a few that are simply not content with allowing you to dislike the movie and have made it their own personal Jedi quest to show you the error of your ways. If all of this is subjective, why not just let people dislike what they dislike?

Hell I actually liked the prequels and I KNOW I'm in the minority on that, but I haven't tried to convince anyone that they MUST like it or that if they don't it's because they didn't understand the vision of the writer and directors or that it's their own head canon that's gotten in the way.

The things that we didn't like didn't bother them. So be it.

 

You're forgetting that the ST is 25-30 years later. Luke wouldn't think or react the same way he did in RotJ. TLJ shows basically no growth for his character. Why is this so difficult to understand.

 

original poster has got so many likes for the gibberish he spitted about the greatest trilogy in human history and its greatest hero.

The Star Wars community is no more what it was.

I think its possible it does not exist anymore in previous sense , its destroyed.

 

That would’ve worked better with an image of the architect

 

Whenever I see a thread like this I try to check the like/dislike ratio. A couple of great posts and likes vs a couple of dislikes and clouded. I registered my account on this website the day after the release of TFA and I can't remember seeing such an insane amount of threads trying to either defend the movie or trying to rip it apart. Threads hating TFA would immediately be downvoted, praising TFA resulted in a bunch upvotes. TLJ has really managed to divide the fanbase. I'm not sure if it was worth it. Let's wait for IX...

 

But that's exactly what happened -- Luke didn't just "sense darkness," he saw into Ben's future and discovered exactly that: that Ben's destiny was to be a serial killer (and worse):

"But then I looked inside, and it was beyond what I ever imagined. Snoke had already turned his heart. He would bring destruction, and pain, and death, and the end of everything I love because of what he will become."

To me, that means he actually got a glimpse of everything we then saw Ben do, up to and including becoming the frigging Supreme Leader of the First Order. Seeing that future all laid out in front of him in an instant, the gut-level realization that he could end it all now doesn't seem out of bounds at all to me. He reacts, momentarily, and then immediately gets his head back and reins himself in.

 

And, ironically, it was that single act of contemplation with lightsaber lit, that pushed Kylo over the edge to become exactly what Luke had glimpsed.

No wonder the dude was so remorseful and self-doubting. His moment of weakness created exactly what he foresaw. (Inception inside Inception?)

So the question is, if Luke didn't look into Kylo's soul and see the darkness, would Kylo have in fact become what he became? Using the power of the Jedi was exactly what cemented the rise of the new darkness in Kylo. The Jedi must end, indeed....

 

That’s truly a Looper moment by Rian.

 

I think it mirrors the PT in a way too, because is Anakin had not tried to stop Padme from dying (by helping the emperor), Padme would not have died. In the same way, Luke creates Kylo Ren by trying to stop Kylo Ren.

 

I'm sorry, the OP makes too much sense with this thread.
This cannot be allowed on the internets or SW forums.
You must be negative and angry or you are just not cool.