A reply to most of the TLJ negative criticism.

Remnant (noun): a small remaining quantity of something

How does this even remotely describe the First Order though? They are effectively the Empire's successors at this point.

 

Well aren't many of the same people in Lucasfilm the same ones that were around in George's time?

 

Which makes it pretty bizarre that they'd just do this all over again, don't you agree?

 

Yes. Maybe Disney should have brought in new leadership or something.

 

The First Order rose from what remained of the Empire after their ultimate defeat. They originated as an Imperial remnant. It's where they came from.

 

I think we're at a point we disagree on.
To me, the generals worried over the senate and Leia considered them higher in authority than, or at least equal to, the Emperor's authority, generals, and errand dogs. Like the Roman senate.

If you have to use bureaucracy, then you aren't in control entirely just yet.

However, this is pedantic, because the point all the way back was that Snoke and Palpatine are effectively the same without the PT even if we take Palpatine to be in control and Snoke on the rise. It really is hardly different in want of motive since it was clear in the OT that Palpatine was a relatively new threat who had risen and was taking, or took, over. It's the same difference. They both rose to power grabbing after absolute power and both failed.

The original point was that a backstory for motive might happen one day like it did for Palpatine, but it's not really needed for the ST anymore than we really needed one in the OT.

Bad guy wants to rule absolutely and be evil. Got it.

Cheers,
Jayson

 

That was likely the perception, yeah. Palps let them have that for as long as it suited his goals and not a moment longer.

Or you just want a way to keep the people complacent by letting them think they have a say. The fear of total annhilation would have been more effective.

Palp's plan wasn't about seizing control. He'd already managed that a good while before ANH. It was about keeping that control.

Sure, they're both villains with villainous plans. They only exist in order to give a face to this army of doom.

Palp had all the power at the onset. His motivation within the story is elliminating whatever threat might take it away from him. Why he wanted this power in the first place is largely irrelevant, because he's no longer seeking to achieve something, he's now protecting the thing he already achieved.

Snoke's story still exists in that first zone. The 'why' is a touch more relevant, but you're right, it's ultimately not crucial to the story. He wants to conquer the universe. Why? Because he's a megalomaniacle jerk that wants everyone under his thumb. Nuff said.