SPOILER Adam Driver

no it states this

• Luke has no known offspring

doesn't say anything about the unknown.

another problem with Muzzlewump is that he supposedly saw JJ's second draft which was mot his final draft
and who's to say that everything written was 100% accurate in the first place.

for example

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  • Luke hasn’t been seen in nearly 30 years

the last rumors states that Luke has only been missing for 10 years not 30.

forgot to add that maybe Luke doesn't have a biological child but he has an adopted one.

 

This has been a test of the emergency Jedi-cast system... had this been a real announcement, a trailer would have been attached

 

I just had a thought. Han and Leia could be parents to Gleeson, but not in the biological sense. What if they are his aunt and uncle (think Owen and Beru) and cared for him after his father disappeared ten years earlier. This would make sense why he would be seen with them, but looks more like Luke, and this would provide an echo of epi 4.

Regardless of how logical that may be, I still want to beleive he is an imperial officer.

 

I've said almost this exact thing a couple times. I'd be very surprised if Gleeson is an Imperial Officer, doesn't fit him at all

 

Part of my thought behind that was that he wasn't seen at any of the locations to my knowlege, so if he is doing all studio work it would make sense. And I am not familiar with him, so I don't know what he is capable of, but for some reason I see him with his hair slicked back and bossing people around.

 

Mostly I think we see him on the Falcon and perhaps at "pirate base"

Gleeson is a semi-comedic actor with an upbeat and pleasant persona usually

 

I'm not feeling all these ' visions ' and ' premonitions ' and voices in people's heads rumours !

Seems like a chunk of the movie could be lost to a lot of ambiguities and gobbledygook !

' The Force ' and it's ways should be left to the viewers imagination ! It should always be present but it should remain unseen and simple !

 

You know the other thing that always got me about that whole "second draft" thing:

- the other lead is the child of Lando, and either a male or female depending on who is cast
- the other lead is a Stormtrooper, also either a male or female depending on who is cast
- dialogue for these two characters is very rough in the second draft

What in god's name is that actually supposed to mean?
A draft of a movie script is a draft of a movie script. If someone sits down to write a movie script, they are doing so with the intention of it being made into a movie.
It is FINISHED. Then it is either accepted or reworked into a further draft, or rejected altogether, and then another draft is written up.
From our perspective - in hindsight - yes, drafts 1, 2, 3, 4 - whatever - of a given movie may be viewed as some kind of "work in progress", which has connotations of it being "unfinished", but if draft 3 gets the thumbs up, then it becomes the shooting script and is, essentially, the final draft.

So what I am getting at is, how could anyone reading the Arndt second draft come to the conclusion certain dialogue was "very rough"?
What, as in unifinished? As in it had actual gaps in the dialogue? Wildcards? Barnyard noises? Someone submitted a draft of a movie, and was half-assed enough to not bother with some of the dialogue, and just put some placeholders in?
Do you know how illogical that sounds? No wonder his script was dropped if he couldn't even be bothered writing dialogue, which is sort of what he is paid money to do, isn't it.
Or is that statement just an opinion of the dialogue? And if so, does this person know what dialogue between these characters was supposed to be like? I mean, have they read the previous draft too, and a subsequent one - why not tell us about that as well, why not tell us why the dialogue is ROUGH and what the dialogue should be like in its NON-ROUGH state, because what you are claiming to have read is a finished script... as finished as the draft before it and as finished as the one after it.
Now, I'm not saying there isn't a shred of truth in what Mizzlewump claimed - on the contrary - I'm saying the above comment was a clear indication he ws over-egging the pudding...

It's all in the details, man.

 

It's not beyond the realms of possibility that there were placeholder characters throughout the drafts because it's unfortunately been the history of SW scripts to have lots of throwaway or easily replaceable characters due to their personalities being one-dimensional - they're conduits for story and not drivers of the story. It's a symptom of poor storytelling skills, but can also be intentional if the function of the story is to be a homage to other lightweight genres, for example the space operatics of Flash Gordon, John Carter, Buck Rogers etc which are all action set-pieces strung together by characters telling us the story and literally running or being chased from Point A to B.

There's the worrying suspicion that the sequel trilogy is a committee-written project and more vulnerable to market-target demographic research (rumours suggested Disney wouldn't sign off on the script for a long time so it's been tinkered with quite a lot). I say 'worrying' but it's not the end of the world. It's Star Wars and not not designed to be profound or deep as a well, which is why I enjoy it

So, if one-dimensionality is the intent then all is proceeding as planned. If not, then we're dealing with some poodoo scripting in parts.

 

Yes, but what I am getting at is that we only think of them like that because we have the privilege of hindsight. We know what came after, and we know how the finished article ended up.
Go back and look at the various drafts of any of the previous Star Wars movies, they are still "complete". There is no reason to presume any of it is "rough" just because we know it may have been developed into something else or replaced with something else. What is presented - in any draft - is intended to be filmed, otherwise it wouldn't be presented at all.

 

The areas that have been described as sketchy, which pertain to characters, do concern me because they were attached to creative indifference whether the characters were male, female, etc, and there appeared to be so much too-ing and fro-ing about them that it appears they were being cast with appeal to a certain demographic rather than their suitability lent to the narrative, which makes them ciphers and not full-blooded characters. If they are meant to be starring characters, they aren't going to be up to much.

 

Adam Driver's character's name
is

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Spoiler: *SPOILER ALERT*

Barl Burris.

 

Care to elaborate? Or is this just a joke I don't know the reference to?

 

Thanks!

Where did you hear this?

And is this real name, while Kylo Ren is his self-made-up name? So essentially Driver has two identities?

Or, are you claiming Kylo Ren is NOT Adam Driver, but instead someone else?

I love alliteration as much as the next guy, but any additional context you can provide about "Barl Buriss" will go a long way towards buying credibility.

 

Any explanation as to how or why you know this?

 

Trolling?

 

Aliterative name how Stan Lee-ish.

 

Went back and read some of the OP's older posts... claims to have seen a script...

 

...and MvS is Lamar Burgess

 

Do you mean that in a "tarnished credibility" sense?