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Biggest problem: Kylo does not regret his evil acts at all!

Discussion in 'Star Wars: The Rise of Skywalker' started by McDiarmid, Feb 20, 2018.

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Kylo does not regret for his evil acts.

Poll closed Apr 7, 2020.
  1. He is cool

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  2. He is cold blooded patricidal murderer

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  3. ReyLo will erase his records

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    did he?

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    You make me crazy, but you also just made me laugh by using the troll face, haha.
     
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    I don't even understand this comment. Is this your way of establishing your opinion as a fact?

    I don't care if Kylo Ren becomes redeemed or not. I don't care, because I'm not that impressed by how both J.J. Abrams and Rian Johnson wrote his character. I feel sorry for Adam Driver, because he deserves a better character than this.


    And I get the feeling that this desire for Kylo Ren's redemption is all about establishing "Reylo" as a couple.:rolleyes:
     
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    Reylo doesn't have to happen, but I'm okay with it if it does. That's not why I want Ben Solo back, personally.
     
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    But he does regret some of his actions, even if it’s subconscious. It’s hinted at in The Force Awakens, and Snoke spells it out it in the beginning of The Last Jedi—Han Solo’s death only left Kylo Ren more emotionally conflicted and unsure of where he stands. If he were completely evil, he wouldn’t have spared Leia or Rey.

    Kylo is trying to convince himself that what he’s doing is right, but deep down, Ben Solo is still there, hence why he can’t completely give in to the dark side. I’m not saying he’s redeemable, because what he’s done is truly horrible and I think his fate could go either way at this point. But I think it’s a stretch to say he doesn’t regret what he’s done. Part of him knows that what he’s doing is wrong, but he continues to justify it because he feels that his parents and uncle failed him.
     
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    It would be like if they took somebody who killed a room full of children and just redeemed him in the moments before his death.
     
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    no one would ever buy that. : o p
     
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    That is Lucas border-line that can't be passed ,since its human law.
    Anakin loved Padme,his children,but as Vader he commited crimes for which there is no abolition in real life.So Lucas redeemed him in front of his son Luke,in the Force and than he died.His spirit saved.He destroyed Palpatine.Galaxy however didn't abolished Vader,in Bloodline novel Vader is still worst criminal figure.

    Kylo ,on top of this murdered his own father,missed chance to destroy darkness when he killed Snoke,Insted he himself became Dark Lord.,agent of evil.Conflicted in that?Conflict can't abolish for crimes.
    And he even showed Dark side is stronger than his eventual feelings for Rey. Conflict?Can't abolish.

    In short,redemption of Kylo in any way but like Vader's(before his death) ,after what has transpired in ep.VII and VIII, would be moral provocation and insult to many. And wrong message about conequences for worst atrocities.
    Imagine people rewatching EP.VII and VIII Kylo,in the same night,only for watch him to became redeemed in ep IX and continue as good person.

    I also postulated this:If Kylo would became redeemed and moral in flesh,with his consciousess restored, few seconds later he should take blaster ,point it in his head and pull the trigger.
     
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    @McDiarmid, it's a fantasy story, you know that right? Even though I want Kylo to die in IX, I think it's very likely that he survives and gets redeemed.

    To many people it would be an insult if he dies because then Han's and Luke's deaths were for nothing.

    Forgiveness is a pretty good message. Furthermore: "That’s how we’re gonna win. Not fighting what we hate, saving what we love." => I think this refers more to Kylo and Rey than anything else.

    If he gets redeemed and kills himself, then he's a coward. I'm sorry, but he needs to face the consequences.
     
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    Kylo had his chances,he defeated strongest Dark Side Lord ever.. ..and refused to sacrifice for good,for Rey.

    Maybe they will redeem him and left alive?

    It will be first time ever such mass criminal ,who in the meantime became head of space-nazi regime will on the film continue to walk as good person ,even lover?

    Such moral travesty will be the end of Star Wars for many and is absolute worst scenario imaginable.

    Disney must know this.We fans must do whatever we can if we can to protect Star Wars from such shortsighted decision with catastrophic consequences.

     
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    fortunately Disney knows that Star Wars needs to carry a message of hope.
    not just for the good who frankly don't need it, but for the broken who do.
     
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    If I could give you a standing ovation for this post, I would.
     
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    Will you give message of hope to terrorists, or nazis?
    Or to their victims?

    If Disney is on your line of thinking, and they could acually be, maybe I should go watch episode IX alone, to see if I could allow my kids to do the same.

    Before acusing me please note..it is not I who made Kylo terrorist( just watch scene of village slaughter on Jakku) , father killer, and de-facto space nazi in 2 films already , and now expects me to expect message of hope for him?

    Message of hope is needed to Kylo's vicitms.(which includes Rey)
     
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    What do you think would children want to see more:
    1) a man who gets redeemed and fights for the hero's side?
    2) an evil man who gets killed?

    This is what Disney is thinking.
     
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    i would give it to anyone who needs it.

    why would anyone deny another human being hope?
    i know i am no one to judge.
     
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    Small people ,those who die under the boots , guns or swords of those who crave for power. They need the hope first.
    If they would be truly progressive in their films and thinking they will give this kind of hope First.

    EDIT- that is why I want to believe (wrongly of course) in rumor about liberation of enslaved people on oceanic world in the unknown regions (enslaved by Kylo's regime)...this will be progressive development.
     
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    food for thought: give hope to the despots and then maybe they will stop feeling the need to trample others under foot.
     
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    Hope doesn't differ between "small" and "big" people.

    I actually think Kylo Ren will be a good leader and people won't suffer because of his regime.
     
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