Darth Plagueis In The Sequel Trilogy.

Did a quick mashup of Plagueis-Snoke. Uses pieces of Palpatine, Pumpkinhead, a Terminator skull, and Serkis. Wanted to make it darker than the standard Muun.

 

Ready to get my black series Plag...I mean Snoke figure. I guess they will have to scale that one up to about 8 inches.

 

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Indeed. Honestly, I think the only reason GL created the term/idea "midichlorians" is to explain DP's experiments, and inadvertent creation of Anakin.
Lucas had to tied it up somehow.
And in the opera scene of ROTS, look at how Sidious looks at Anakin when he says the word "life". The story was there all along.

 

I wouldnt put too much stock in the facial expressions of anyone in a Lucas movie. His filming is . . . well, lets just call it short and sweet. He doesnt supply his actors with much backstory or provide them with a frame of mind.

Also not sure about the DP being Anakin's father kinda thing. Not to get too genetic, but Anankin certainly doesnt look Muun. So that would mean he was created by the Midichlorians. Where did the other half of his DNA come from??? Must have been all from his mom and created with the Force . . . and Ani is not 100% his mom - a Crocodile Dundee Handshake could prove this up. He's no Sheila. lol.

Or we could just ask Padme.

 

Well said.

I admit, at the moment, it looks like "Plagueis confirmed," but I wouldn't be surprised if what we see on the big screen in about a week is nothing whatsoever like that image.... I don't what to say, things just don't seem to jive here...

 

Wow another busy day.

There have been several trolling ratings in the last day ALL of them were for Anti-DP people and almost all of them were simply honest view trying to further discussion. In the intrest of honesty I did throw out a trolling rating too. Because I thought someone crossed a line and was trying to be mean. I could be wrong and I might have missed how it was supposed to be funny.

Still skeptical. He hasn't denied but he has derided it, made fun of the idea on several occasions and mocked the name. This is hardly conclusive for DP and I suggest it leans against him. To be fair you thought so too a week or 2 ago. I don't know the collider guys but I am not convinced, I don't know their sources and only have 2nd and 3rd hand info on their credibility. I find it odd that a pair of Youtubers are trusted pushing anonymous sources over confirmed employees of Lucasfilm (Like Pablo) and JJ himself saying I think quite clearly that DP was not in the film with the infamous Comicon Panel NO.

I promise that if we wanted to annoy you we could do much worse than continue a polite discussion.

1- He passes the mic to Kasdan who heard a mumbled question.
2- I'll give you that Daisy might have said what you said but there a lot of other things that could mean.
3- Maybe because Kasdan actually misheard.
4- Kasdan asks a question clearly making a joke because he mis-heard and the idea of Darth Vegas is hilarious (note @Darth Vegas' avatar for just how hilarious). JJ rightly points out that Kasdan is goofing and doesn't want to have too much fun at the asker's expense answers the question simply and straight forward.
5- No as in it does not "mention Darth Plagueis or a certain staff." To me the simplest interpretation is no means no to both.

I am glad you brought this up because it is just good points. First your not scared to express possible doubts that just shows you are a stand up guy. I agree that image does look very Munn like but it does not have the long head that Munn have had previously. But I am not convinced that image is legit. Or that if comared to other cloaked aliens it might not look like several SW races or even similar other than coloring to the McQuarrie art.

Because he might have been messing with the question but because he mis-heard it. We are trying to divine motives. I don't think we are accurately able to do that.

A logical argument is only as good as its premises. False premise solid logic gives false conclusion. Accurate premise solid logic can give you a reliable conclusion. If the assumptions going into the logic are not true or if the facts at the beginning are incorrect no amount of good logic will grant a true conclusion.

@DarthOfInformation already gave a great answer to this.
1- Maybe how many hundreds of clicks are they getting from links on this site. How much money has that brought them. How many more followers? I am a skeptical they could be great guys and totally right I am just not seeing it.
2- I touched on this earlier. He misheard and still made a joke because the name "Darth Vegas" popped into his head.
3- No. The galaxy is thousands of planets filled with things that we have yet to know. Several of which might be taller than humans, zombielike dead or not, scarred, deformed, and lived long enough to see the events of the PT take place it narrows the field but it still is a big field.
4- I think he would have used Darth Vader's grand children. I think he would do perhaps a different final product but very like what we see with Ren and Rey being reflective of the dark and light sides of Anakin's Nature. Hello Mortis Arc.

Not really sure how someone could call that trolling.

More fan are?

Umm . . . My mom had me tested.

There is a lot of subjective judgement calls and bad fan art to be so certain. But the skeptics need are the ones with the problem.

Palpatine was raising Darth Maul, cultivating Syfo Dias, manipulating Dooku, and watching Anakin's career with "great interest" all at the same time. He then pulled Maul back into the stable and manipulated him. Then he started files on force sensitive kids. Then after destroying the order started the "not sith" inquisitors, the cybernetic Cylo agents. That is not rule of 2.

And this deserves a trolling rating because?

1-Let's say I give you Sheeve he is not diminished even though his power is not absolute, able to kill his master, and not really the schemer we thought.
2-It in some DP theories means outright Anakin is not really the chosen one. Something that several DP supporters conceded. It takes the focus of 6 movies off Vader and puts it on DP.
3-It diminishes the OT heroes because they only faced the goons of the real villan.
4-It diminishes George Lucas because it shifts the story from the fall, redemption and legacy of Anakin to the family DP started.

I am not pro-DP but you are right on. IF this is the story they wanted to tell that is the way to tell it. I'll even concede that gets around several of my most stringent objections. I just remain skeptical.

Great post. I would like that movie I am just not seeing DP add up the way others do. If he is in the movie I hope that is how its done.

That looks better than DP art.

Fun read over all. Sorry if my post jumped around a lot.

 

great thread with great debate on the possibility of Plagueis in the ST, so thanks to everyone involved. leant a lot about Star Wars lore lurking here and thought it would be only right to sign up for the final week going into TFA.

you can probably guess which camp i'm in, but i don't think it's a lock yet, some things don't quite add up and in all likelyhood probably won't until episode 8. i say episode 8 due to JJ saying 'Snoke' will be an important part of the story going forward. so whatever his story is i think it's fair to say it'll be expanded on sooner rather than later.

they've said 'Snoke' is physically damanged, disfigured etc but none of the art 'leaks' have reflected that, so there's no way we've seen anything beyond a basic outline. the most encouraging thing is that his face has a unique bone structure and the supposed confirmation that it resembles that of a Muun. my thinking is that he's gonna be in pretty bad shape and it might not be possible to say one way or the other what race he is. and so the debate will rage on, lol. but if it is clear that underneath the injuries he's a Muun, then yeah, Plagueis confirmed in Episode 7. 7 foot tall, thin, aware of the past to a great degree, etc, sure sounds like a lot like our man.

the things that give me reason to doubt is mainly they were supposedly changing the design a lot, which would likely only be the case if it was a new character. but to be honest a lot of what we've heard could be misdirection, like the not so subtle 'Darth Vegas' retort. alternatively they were playing with different designs because most of Plagueis' details are not canon and were still figuring out his backstory - ie is he still in his original body or not? the way I would like to see it go down is if Palpatine fried dude with lightning so bad that his body was mostly melted. obviously we have to skip the idea of him being cremated but after that it's pretty much a wrap. bring back Ian McDiarmid and we could have a hell of a brutal flashback showing it happen in Episode 8.

The biggest threat is Plagueis knowledge level and that our new/old heros have to find a way of tapping into the force deeper than before to destroy his soul for good. You can take the story in plenty of different directions with that type of outline. And if it is him he's clearly done with the Sith stuff, he's above that and wasn't a fan of the rules anyway. So I think Plagueis is potentially the ultimate dark side user due to his knowledge and a much more interesting scenario than any other 'vunerable' being.

 

Hi! Been lurking for longer than I should admit but finally decided to sign up. I really love this speculation and would support this 100%. I'm not sure where I stand about plagueis/snoke, but I would really like to see it manifest in this form.

 

Well at least one good thing comes of all this, if Snoke is Plagueis or not, this discussion certainly interests a lot of people and convinces a lot of new fellow Star Wars fans to sign up and join in. May the force be with you all! .

 

Welcome to the Cantina, @Supreme Leader and @Carter051. Heck of a thread to dive head-first into.

 

It's been an interesting nightmare to follow for the last few months. The whole business with Disney and that podcast is pretty intriguing and there has to be something behind it IMO. What that is will be revealed in a week!

 

That's some major quote and response effort you put in there Pastor, it must have taken much time in the shadows of the galaxy... Are you Darth Plagueis?

 

@Pastor Barndog Yes more fan art. I got more confirmation memes to make.

 

Agreed, Disney has requested removal of a few things that i'm aware of, some leaked videos, some leaked concept art etc so that's 5 times that i remember and possibly more i don't and all of them turned out to be real. That to me gives more credence to the collider video of the Mexican art looking like snoke. In fact everytime i can ever remember studios requesting things being removed they have been real such as leaks of art and video from Prometheus and Tarantinos hateful 8 script.

 

Welcome @Supreme Leader

No . . . not at all I am Supreme Leader Snoke. Trust me you don't spend 20 years kicking tail to make the entire 1st Order and soon the galaxy call you the Supreme Leader just to have it followed by a fake name.

Also I finished just in time to do the Advent calendar with the kids.

 

This thread is going to end up in a book somewhere after this movie opens. If Snoke is NOT Darth Plagueis then it will be a book about how great JJ's mystery box is and the speculation it inspired. If Plagueis IS Snoke then it will illustrate the rabid, fanatical, genius speculation Star Wars fans are capable of. Enjoy this debate for the next week, kids!

 

regarding official information leaks i do think they've been very tactical with what they've let people know and when, in order to throw people off the scent. the most ridiculous example was the whole Snoke is 25 feet tall thing. leave it open ended enough for people to speculate that and given the information we had so far (minimal) it's obvious people would jump to conclusions. threw a spanner in the Darth Plagueis theory too. but don't correct anyone and leave it really close to the movie release to make it clear he is actually 7 feet tall. i wonder why that could be? maybe the same reason they most definitely did not appreciate a video where Snoke's likeness to Darth Plagueis is said to be confirmed.

 

I have to side with you here (not the bear rape scene, never heard of that!!! lol).... I just think one possibility could be if a somewhat well know legit foreign publication is putting out false information then they might want to try to minimize its effect. While it is just a drawing (not LucasFilm/Disney IP), they may not have much of a leg to stand on to ask the publication to stop and trash all the product they have produced and sold but could nicely ask other media sources to not promote the false information. Having false information put out there by otherwise reputable people could have a negative effect on a lot of the fan base.

 

On that one i honestly think a lot of people just read into it wrong and just made an honest mistake in interpreting what Andy Serkis actually said. I think because he mentioned the Kongolizer and said he was on a 25ft podium people just assumed he was a 25ft creature. I don't think anyone at Disney/Lucasfilm felt a need to correct it until the vfx guy was specifically asked.
I personally never thought he was a 25ft dragon as I think Snoke will have to fight a hero at some point and i don't think a lightsaber battle or other battle would work well with a 25ft creature lol. Now obviously the heros have fought big monsters before such as the rancor but i just don't see it working as an intelligent dark sider.