Darth Plagueis In The Sequel Trilogy.

Because that's not a verified twitter account, it's most probably fake.

 

Not really, his account is too small to be recognized by Twitter. He'd have to contact them to get verified, which he won't do, because he probably doesn't care.
I'm 99% sure it's him.

However, this doesn't confirm anything. I just thought it was cool that he likes the theory.

 

Unless that account is verified, there's no way of telling that's really him, so I wouldn't be so sure. Imo, it's way too good to be true.

Anyway, I have something else I'd like to discuss.

Does anyone have a good reason as to why Plagueis' species wasn't mentioned in James Luceno's Tarkin novel?

When the novel was released (Nov 4, 2014), it was many months after Snoke's character was first conceptualised, and by that stage Lucasfilm knew Snoke would be a CGI, vulnerable, fragile villain. So they must've had a backstory in place for Snoke's injuries - you don't just make your new villain CGI and severely damaged without reason.

Teasing the fans with 11-4D and the force striking back demonstrates that Luceno (as well as the storygroup) wanted to include parts of the Darth Plagueis novel into canon, however my feeling is that Luceno would've wanted to include everything from the novel if he could've - he spent nearly 6 years on the damn thing!

And here's some nerd facts for you - The word 'Plagueis' is mentioned a total of 7 times in Luceno's Tarkin novel, and the word 'Muun' is mentioned 5 times in the OPENING PROLOGUE ALONE to the Darth Plagueis novel. So how on earth did Luceno manage to incorporate 11-4D into Tarkin, but not one single mention of Muun!?

Also, below are some excerpts from James Luceno's Tarkin interviews.

On the recanonized elements of his earlier novels such as Dark Lord and Darth Plagueis:

"I write the book. I don't want to be too constrained by [rebranded canon]. I wait for the story board to kind of pass judgment. If there's a place they don't want me to go or mention, a species they think is problematic, they get back to me and ask me to tweak this or change this. I didn't let influence my storytelling."

"When I met with them, I had a sense of what the gameplan was. Not to rely so much on the existing EU. I did a lot of editorial work myself, I wrote a first draft and changed things that I myself thought might be problematic. However, they did ask me to change the species of a couple of characters, there were some minor cuts, but it wasn't an intrusive process. And they didn't really dictate to me where I could go."

How was your experience with working with the new Lucasfilm story group?

"...Throughout the outline process and following the submission of a first draft, the Story Group kept me on target, as it were, and reined me in from including too many references and too much expository prose."​

So after submitting the first draft, Luceno was prevented from referencing too much earlier material combined with having to change species of some characters. But why would he have to change species of certain characters? Why would that be problematic? I would bet a lot of money that the storygroup prevented Luceno from referencing too much Plagueis, in particular his Muun species. I see no reason why Luceno would omit that detail.

And here's what bothers me about all of this; the story group, when presented with a perfect opportunity, didn't make canon the key aspects of a secretly important, behind-the-scenes villain - who sought to dominate the galaxy and the force, who was obsessed with cheating death - but then go ahead and introduce a new secretly important, behind-the-scenes villain - who also seeks to dominate the galaxy and the force, who appears to have cheated death - and it just so happens that this new villain shares many similarities with the non-canon elements of the canon villain who came before him!

 

Dude, that`s amazing. Thanks for sharing this

 

Part me feels like they, and this author, were specifically instructed to move away from GL and the prequels no matter how great the material is
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I, too, find the whole "not mentioning Plagueis' species" thing interesting. Could be something, could be nothing.

 

But Plageuis isnt a Munn in this new canon, is he?

 

no one knows. they havent said either way.

 

i can't figure out if that Ian McDiarmid account is for real, it looks like it could be, wouldn't necessarily be verified as he's not a huge name. but there's a lot star wars promotional type retweets, barely any activity, no sentences just the odd few words, activity on his birthday, use of e with an accent. something seems off, probably a european fan is my guess. but quite a few bigger names are following it, so it has them fooled as well.

 

This is kind of awesome. If it weren't for this thread, I probably would have abandoned Plagueis long ago. But tiny pieces of evidence keep mounting...

 

I think there is a chance that with TFA they just threw a load of things at it without really working out where the story will go in places. They just did what they thought would work for that film and let Johnson make sense out of the pieces.

So Snoke was just Snoke. A crusty old Dark Sider who looks like a Zombie and acts like a typical Star Wars baddie.

Johnson comes in and has to shape the character and give him a background that doesn't contradict the mythology. Enter Darth Plagueis....

It's unlikely but then so was President Trump...

 

so i was thinking about plagueis earlier today, as you do. still maintain it needs to be him for the most epic possible storyline that ties it all together. it's gonna be dissapointing if kylo ends up being the main bad guy, he needs some serious upgrades as it stands. and if snoke is responsible for teaching then it surely paints him as the big dog regardless.

luke to rey - 'he was the emperor's master, he was able to cheat death and possesses unimaginable force powers'

if the McDiarmid twitter account is real it would be amazing, though i don't think it is as stated above. that would potentially imply for some reason plagueis is relevant again perhaps he even filmed a certain flashback scene for ep8, obviously in secret. honestly if they went this route the scene of plagueis getting murderd could be one of the darkest, most emphatic scenes in the entire series. palpatine fries the guy then splits his head in half with a lightsaber to finish him off. then the body is thrown into space or they try and burn it or something and he has regenerated and comes back to life. most likely they bury the body on jakku and he wakes up years maybe decades later as mysterious old guy snoke. lots of ways you could write this to be really cool.

alternatively you go the spirit angle and snoke (plagueis) isn't actually a physical being but some type of ghost entity, somehow projecting himself. that would explain the whole hammer horror look to the character. plagueis body was totally destroyed but his spirit passed into this ghost realm (JJ loves his multi-dimensional stuff) where he is amassing power, reforming. by episode 9 he has gained enough strength and is reborn in physical form, more powerful than ever. i think this is unlikely given that 'snoke' seems to be firmly placed in the new universe when leia and han refer to him. but it's one direction they could have taken it if it was plagueis.

 

Extract from new novel "Catalyst" by Luceno...

"PLAGUED nonetheless, he had documented his dreams in the notebook. He had long ago mapped the landscape of his subconscious and could usually decipher what his dreams were telling him, but his recent ones seemed to be taking place off the map, set in unknown regions of his mind. The dream journal ran for several pages, with many of its entries written in the middle of the night or immediately following a nap, and were broken here and there by sketches that rambled into calculations, stray thoughts, microscopically jotted notes he could barely untangle even now".

The people around the "significant Sith site" on Jakku were rambling about numbers (calculations?). This is all about kyber crystals. That is how Plagueis cheated death. He lives both in and beyond the crystals. Jyn is given a crystal. Jyn is Rey's mother. Snoke/Plagueis is Rey's father by proxy.

#PlagueisLives

@Lord of the Rens We're back in the game old friend. Everything is proceeding as we have foreseen...

 

I <3 Plagueis.

#PlagueisConfirmed

 

This may have been brought up already: is this the longest thread on the Cantina?

 

An immortal and eternal thread for a character who shares the same qualities....

 

I'd say we're back to 90%

 

They're really trying JK

 

#PlagueisConfirmed100%

 

nice to see the official SW twitter reminding us of Darth Plagueis the Wise.