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Did TLJ kill the tradition of fan theories?

Discussion in 'Star Wars: The Last Jedi' started by BobRoss, Mar 5, 2018.

  1. BobRoss

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    Dude "law" is the application of the theory but not the theory itself. The law predicts that an apple will fall to the ground. The theory explains why the apple will fall to the ground. In scientific language a hypothesis already requires certain amount of evidence. Don't talk science if you don't know how it works.

    Here, go educate yourself :)

    /edit: thanks for the funny rating. I guess it's funny that you don't understand the basic difference between law and theory ;)
     
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    "don't talk science if you don't know how it works."

    that's cute, coming from you.
     
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    Look the proof is right there. Just because you don't know about science doesn't mean others don't. You made a statement that's factually wrong showing that you don't know the difference which is fine. But don't be so smug about if you don't even know the basics <3
     
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    tell me again how fan fic is the same as fan theories. :rolleyes:
     
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    Fan theories are just that and have no place in cinema, or should directors/writers take heed to them. Just on forums where it should be. Fun as they are it's their story not our story. I don't hold onto them once I watch the movies either. Including any movie I wanna see for that matter.
     
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    Ah I see, changing the topic right? Well now at least you know the difference between "law" and "theory".
    --- Double Post Merged, Mar 6, 2018, Original Post Date: Mar 6, 2018 ---
    Of course you don't hold on to fan theories. What is the use of claiming that Rey's dad is Luke when he clearly isn't? It is only logical to abandon a theory once it is proven to be factually worng.
     
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    at least i try to stay on topic...

    when you have a repeated observation that does become law. that cute video you posted doesn't refute that. laws are drawn from repeated observations that show that a thing in particular is constant.

    honestly though, let's get back on topic: want to give it another go on how fan fic and theory are somehow the same?
    --- Double Post Merged, Mar 6, 2018, Original Post Date: Mar 6, 2018 ---
    i should note that i only brought up laws in general because @BobRoss mentioned them in a post that he went on to edit/delete.
     
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    No, theories don't become laws. The "law" is created once the theory is solid enough that it can be used make predictions. The prediction is the law, the mechanism behind the prediction is the theory! It's not that difficult, really!
    https://medium.com/byspells-of-worldken/when-do-scientific-theories-become-laws-d2195d25c58f
     
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    "A scientific law is a statement based on repeated experimental observations that describes some aspect of the universe."

    that's all i'm saying.
     
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    nope, the post is still there and unedited. I accidently inserted my post into your quote, hence I had to edit it. The reason why I started defining theorys is because it is impossible to talk about them if people like you don't even know what a theory is ;)
     
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    "Like theories and hypotheses, laws make predictions (specifically, they predict that new observations will conform to the law), and can be falsified if they are found in contradiction with new data."
     
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    Guys, come on. We're discussing the definition of scientific theories and laws.

    You two realize that those things only apply when trying to apply the scientific method to an actual study, correct? And that "theory", "law", and whatever other words we're bandering about actually do have multiple (far more subjective) meanings, and that those meanings are far more used in common vernacular?

    This is ridiculous.
     
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    Exactly. It's a statement what will happen based on observations! The explainations allow you to predict what will happen but not why. That's what the theory is for. God dammit do you really not grasp this simple concept? From the very same article you took the quote:

    When do scientific theories become laws?
    This question has come up more than once.

    Short answer:
    It don’t work that way, mate.
     
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    you're absolutely right, i agree.

    i've been trying to get to the bottom of the ridiculous assertion that somehow some "fan theories" are theories while others are "fan fic."
     
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    Right. There's no solid, binding definition, and the scientific definitions (while more well defined) are no way applicable to this situation.

    Let's

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    It's not that hard. I explained it a thousand times already. I gave you examples. If you don't know what the difference between fan fiction and fan theories I strongly recommend you to look up some examples.

    Theory

    Fanfic

    Both videos are taken from the same channel so that it's easier for you to see the difference. Btw the channel is called starwarstheories. They have mutliple theories and fanfics. You're welcome
     
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    i do know what fan theories and fan fiction are, and your assessment is ridiculous.
    --- Double Post Merged, Mar 6, 2018, Original Post Date: Mar 6, 2018 ---
    you are back pedaling now. i've already said this and you disagreed with me when i did:

    fan fic is a made up story based on existing characters and situations. it is meant to have a narrative structure.

    fan theory is an attempt to predict what may happen next based on existing characters and situations.
     
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    Except I never held onto such a thing.
     
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    The summary is that there is nothing and noone to care for IX. So yes, all fan theories and most fan interest is dead.
     
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    I understand not liking the movie, but what's the purpose of trying to cast the entire fandom in a negative light? These very forums are full of theories of what might come next. Sure, it's March and we're well over a year and a half away from EpIX with no promo material yet, but I really don't think you can say that all discussion on theories is dead, and the implication of a lack of interest is absurd.
     
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