Does anyone care about the characters that are left for Episode IX?

She is confronted with a massive failure in TLJ. She thought she could turn Kylo.

 

Yeah, but she just brushes that aside, and it does not effect her character in any way. In fact, she moves on and continues to succeed at first attempt.

 

I would even go a step further. Is that her failure, or Kylo's?

If someone is bound and determined to drink and drive, willing to fight you for their keys back and somehow succeeds and drives off. All you can do is call the police at that point. That isn't your failure because they are bent on doing something wrong. That's Kylo, and to me anyways, that has no reflection on Rey as a failure. Her making the attempt after all she's witnessed days passed has already earned her sainthood in my books.

 

I did. I came to watch new adventures with new characters. And with the notion that Han, Luke and Leia would play similarly to what Obi Wan and Yoda did in the original trilogy. Which is what George was always going to originally do.

I didn't come to just watch the further adventures of senior citizens. This isn't Cocoon.


And unfortunately as Carrie Fisher's death has showed, the franchise is going to outlive these actors, so the characters are going to get a send off in the films as needed to service the story.

As a 47 year old, you have to get used to the fact that in order for this franchise to continue to succeed and grow, it has to outlive you as well.

 

At what first attempt does she continue to succeed?

 

lifting rocks!

 

she lifted rocks. XD







edit: oops: @RoyleRancor: i was too slow! XD

this is a fair question, but the failure is really on both of them.
her for being naive and thinking all she had to do was show up to "fix" him.
and him for being so single-minded about the only way things can be fixed.

Rey pinned all her hopes on Luke and when he rejected her, she pinned them all on Ben.
that's a big mistake/miscalculation/flaw on her part.
even at the end, she asks Leia how they're going to get on now.
it's Leia that passes the hope back on to her.

 

I'm sure a few montages can fix this. Like Kylo and Rey having a training one to "it's raining men, hallelujah!", intercut with force bond scenes.

 

Rey is naive as hell and it's her biggest flaw and ultimately could cost the whole Resistance in the end.
She's been lucky (or in Star Warsy terms "force blessed") to get out of it up til now.
It wouldn't shock me if JJ wrote in something where here naivety plays a role soon in 9 where luck runs out.

Luke was naive as hell too but in different ways.

 

she's not only naive, but she doesn't see herself for who and what she is.
just as Ben told her: she's constantly looking for guidance/validation/a hero (he's not remotely wrong).

i love that moment at the end with Leia, because Leia's telling her: you don't need someone else, you're enough.

 

JJ will reward her for "having hope" all this time by giving her a magic pony that farts rainbows. Maybe not, but it could happen.

On a serious note, I still don't think so. If JJ does pull a "luck run out", it will be countered by a "ha! She was right all along" plot.

That's the level of complex JJ is.

 

"It's more than just 'lifting rocks' "

So, technically speaking, a second try.

 

I honestly don’t know what there is to resolve in 9. How will the small band survive? Kylo is an insecure teenager, and Hux is his buffoon. Not interesting. Throw in some asians, some bad dialogue, never answer people’s questions...how do you think this film is gonna be? TLJ ended any real interest for me. Whatever crap they’re gonna make up for this one, is still gonna feel like just made up crap and disjointed from the others.

 

Valid points. And to me, Rey acts more like a bystander who watches the story fold on, more so in TLJ than TFA - that is why she lacks an interesting personality. I'd like to think she is the audience. Because if the audience could step into the movie, who would we be? We would be watchers, but we would like to make our characters very strong and powerful so that we won't die easily - so we create a wish-fulfillment character with very powerful stats, plus we enter a few cheat codes so that we're already on level 100.

 

uke Skywalker must unite the Knights of Ren(kylo and his jedi friends who are dark siders with light sabers) and the new jedi(Rey and broomboy, Finn and others) to fight a ancient evil once known as the prime jedi(first jedi in history...who we know as snoke).

the decades before The Force Awakens, Luke Skywalker’s journeys to the ancient Jedi Temples led him to discovering ancient scriptures on the Origins of the Jedi and the Sith and the division between light and dark. Luke discovers the true origin of the ‘Prophecy of the Ray of Light,’ it speaks of how Light & Dark once lived in harmony and balance. A state known as ‘Ren,’ the state of ultimate balance in the Force. The true prophecy speaks of not just one but two beings that reincarnate to fight against an entity called The Ancient Fear when it rises and infects the Force. One light force user and one dark force user. Dark and Light must work together in harmony to achieve Ren, Yin & Yang. This is the infinite dual, binary nature of the Force & the Galaxy. Life and Death. Twin Suns. The hubris of the old ways of the Jedi and Sith interpreted this arrogantly and each instilled their faith solely into one being.


"The Ancient Fear" is the Prime Jedi of the First Jedi Order. The myth of the Fallen Jedi tells of a force user on an ancient Jakku, when it was lush, green and connected to the Force. He was so powerful he attempted to seize control of the Force itself and rule the Galaxy, this caused a rupture in the Force that leaks into the Galaxy and feeds the Dark side of the Force. Jakku was destroyed and turned into a wasteland, the special connection the planet had to the Force was closed shut for eternity. The Fallen Jedi destroyed his spirit and became The Ancient Fear, a cosmic force of immense power. The pure essence of the Dark side of the Force, blinding both sides and causing the eternal Galactic conflict, similar to Lucifer. The Ancient Fear leeches off the Light & Dark side of the Force feeding the entity for all eternity. The Anti-force of the galaxy


The Ancient Fear has manifested as the Sith, the Empire, the First Order and been the driving force of the eternal Galactic conflict and imbalance. an Ancient Jedi called revan from the wars of the Old Republic trapped The Ancient Fear in a tomb in the Unknown Regions. For centuries he remained dormant, until Darth Sidious felt his call. Darth Sidious set forth a plan before the birth of Darth Vader. Anakin was being groomed. Darth Sidious believed Anakin was the pure creation of The Ancient Fear. Emperor Palpatine set forth a contingency plan shortly before his death to explore the Unknown Regions and search for The Ancient Fear. Imperial loyalists and Dark side worshippers formed the mysterious Shadow Council and were instructed to excavate the tomb and perform the perverse ritual to harness the entity into a body and resurrect The Ancient Fear. The body of a respected figure from the New Republic, a force sensitive, wealthy artifact collector named Zoroaster Snoke, was chosen to lead The New Empire of the First Order and branded Supreme Leader Snoke. The unnatural dark process left Snoke with those injuries and deformities and his true life force was gone forever. The remnants of the Empire and Sith worshippers reformed into The First Order and built the most massive weapon the Galaxy has ever seen.


Once the Ancient Fear was resurrected, the Force responded by birthing the incarnation of the being of light spoken of in the Prophecy. A scavenger on the desert planet, Rey of Jakku. The Force placed the Son of the Chosen One before her path, Jedi Master Luke Skywalker. Meanwhile, the birth of the being of darkness was occurring simultaneously in a much different way. From the Unknown Regions, The Ancient Fear began to awaken and groom Ben Solo from birth, in the womb, tainting his life force, the source of his conflict and pull from the light. When Ben Solo was young he previously had a casual relationship with Zoroaster Snoke when he was himself, young Ben was intrigued by all the Jedi & Sith relics he had. He was particularly intrigued by a smashed and burned helmet in a glass casing. Zoroaster Snoke wasn’t one to be bothered but he was a mentor to Ben, being force sensitive, he enjoyed Ben’s curiosity and taught him very pragmatically about the Jedi & Sith in a very subjective way. He was wealthy and scholarly and more concerned with acquiring and amassing his collection. Zoroaster dealt with shady people to obtain his relics, such as the Acolytes of the Beyond. Zoroaster disappeared for some time and Ben lost contact and started training with Luke. Leia always had a hunch about Snoke, she didn’t tell anyone. Han was gone and she didn’t think it was urgent enough to warn Luke.


Once The Ancient Fear took control of Snoke’s body his mission became easier than ever. The injured man came back into Ben’s life, recounting an attractive false tale about his deformities and grand journey exploring ancient Sith and Jedi temples. Ben was captivated. Luke wouldn’t take him on his more dangerous adventures. The final nail to the head was his revelation to Ben that he is a descendant of Darth Vader. Ben Solo felt betrayed and lied to. Snoke gifts Ben Solo the mask of Vader. He has Ben on a string. He began manipulating Ben Solo to no end, about how his family does not believe in his potential. He preaches the State of Ren to Ben, balance in the force between Light & Dark. Snoke tells Ben he is perfect because he has equal parts Dark & Light due to Skywalker blood. He preaches he is the chosen one. Snoke gives him the name Kylo Ren and tasks him with founding the new Sith Order: The Knights of Ren. However, Snoke sees his light force and knows he will have to force the darkness out himself. Snoke began to project false visions of the future not only into Ben’s head but Luke’s and his students. His influence was growing. Ben began to seduce Luke’s students behind his back and soon enough Kylo amassed followers to join the Knights of Ren. The attack on the Jedi temple occurs. Luke flees.


However, Snoke has a sinister purpose unbeknownst to any living being. The body Snoke is inhabiting is old and weak. His ultimate purpose is to find a younger, more powerful body to inhabit. The descendant of the Skywalker bloodline, Ben Solo. The Ancient Fear instinctually gravitates to the Skywalker bloodline because of it’s pure Force energy. Snoke is obsessed with the Skywalker legacy and is the true the creator of Anakin Skywalker. He wants to vanquish Luke because he believes him to be the poison that caused the fall of Darth Vader, the bad seed. Snoke’s grandest flaw is that he abuses the force. The chosen being that catalyzed the awakening of the Force. Kylo Ren and Rey of Jakku are destined to unite and bring Ren to the Force, balannce and peace to reign across the Galaxy concluding the saga of the Skywalker family.

luke must find a way for the knights of Ren and the new jedi to work together to stop him along with Rey and kylo.

he is the master of both the spiritual and material world's...able to return from the netherworld and perform feats more in line with lord of the rings than star wars. controlling the weather being among them...like the bendu.

Rey hates kylo and want to kill him and the Knights of Ren while kylo wants the same.


this is a story of forgiveness and coming together from different ideologies. the jedi and knights of ren teaming up

the chiss ascendancy, the galactic alliance(the worlds inspired by lukes sacrifice formed the galactic alliance to replace the republic, countless worlds joined), the moderate factions of the imperial remnant all go into battle against the first order....which has fallen off the deep end and pledge their allegiance to the ancient fear.

while this is happening both finn and Poe are haunted by not being able to stop the death of Leia and goes on a investigation of her death. where they discover the truth, Leia was the one who discovered the truth behind snoke, and hux silenced her by shooting her ship down. Not before Leia gave all her essence to bring luke to his final ascension...allowing luke to cross between the material and spiritual plane of existence. Luke is emotionally grieved by this because leia is now stuck in the cosmic force without her identity after death....effectively trapping her in oblivion.

The only way he can save her is to destroy snoke and bring balance to the force


this is the backdrop....not exactly the whole story. Rey and kylo and luke now must destroy snoke, Finn now must become a leader of the imperial remnant troops, Poe must confront his guilt, and rey must forgive kylo ro fufill her destiny. Luke must make amends before going back to the netherworld.

while in the ending rey and kylo's marraige with chewbacca walking rey down the aisle(effectively establishing chewie as reys father figure)and lando calrison as Finn as ben solos best man, leia and luke both watch in peace with yoda, anakin, obi wan

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cant be worse than "you only like it because its from the 80s" return of the jedi

 

Kind of like a 9 yr old kid that jumps into a Naboo Starfighter, starts pushing buttons randomly, then 3.5 minutes later is in orbit destroying the enemy's command ship????

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This 53 year old is giving you an epic HIGH FIVE!!

WOOOO-HOOOO YEAH BABY!

My thoughts exactly. Thanks.

 

I only care about porgs! Are they okay?

 

It's funny that two of those are played by new people

 

True, but the thread is about the characters, not the actors who played them.

 

Who in their right mind likes made-up stuff? That's just crazy.