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Does anyone else feel that the new films ruined the ending of ROTJ?

Discussion in 'Original Trilogy' started by VOODOO, Jan 8, 2018.

  1. Lock_S_Foils

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    No.

    Next question?
     
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    Definitely!
     
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    Anakin is redeemed.

    So nope.
     
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    I’m inclined to agree with the OP, but in my heart I try to flip it so that it’s more like the ROTJ ending ruins the ST. When watching the ST, I prefer to tell myself, “ROTJ is still the real ending. Let’s just pretend this happened.”
     
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    Yes, it's the real ending of the George Lucas Star Wars Saga. A clever poster mentioned that the ST is technically speaking a movie series of films made by Star Wars fans (correct) and thus deserves to be labelled "fan fiction".

    So I'm free to choose from fan fiction that made it onto a screen (ST) or fan fiction that made it into books. ;)
     
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    Not even a little bit but the I never got it into my head they were ushering in the galaxy far, far away version of the age of Aquarius and never have liked the tacked on galactic celebration in the SE.

    Our heroes won the great conflict of their time, that's it but that should be way more than enough.

    Maybe there is some value to the wide space between all and nothing where most of time and space resides.
     
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    Like I've said before, the battle of Endor, defeat of Palpatine, and redemption of Anakin were all "Big Events". Huge, even.

    But that doesn't mean that the galaxy lives happily ever after, necessarily. The idea of the prophecy was just another relic of the vanity and self-importance of the Jedi.
     
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    How comes? The prophecy talked about somebody who'd bring "balance" to the Force, so the Jedi had to (reluctantly?) admit that the Force wasn't in balance. Can't see vanity or self-importance here, rather the contrary.
     
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    Honestly I see it as no different than the original EU stories that took place after ROTJ. Anything that continues the story essentially undermines the finality of ROTJ.
     
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    Sure, it was an event that they foresaw. I just think they placed far too much importance on it. It wasn't the "end all, be all" of the Force, rather just the climax of a long conflict.

    It'd be like if someone predicted World Peace after the second World War. Sure, there was a relative peace for a while, but it's not like we are in a completely utopian world now.
     
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    Absolutely. It was the Star Wars equivalent of bringing Cortana back to life in Halo 5. It also conveys, as George Lucas puts it, the enormous lack of imagination going into the current trilogy.
     
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    I don't think it ruined the ending. If anything, at least for me, it freed me from anticipating any upcoming Star Wars movies. What Disney does is so far removed from what Star Wars used to be, I can really only see the new trilogy, metaphorically speaking, as an imposter wearing the Star Wars mask.
     
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    I don't think that this crop of movies effects my judgment of the previous trilogy. There's been so much time passed since the original trilogy that I can put distance between the first trilogy and the current trilogy.
     
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    Only a little bit. It was bound to happen though.
     
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    Yes. Without a doubt.
     
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    Maybe to an extent, but like others have said, did WW2 undermine the efforts of WW1? Did the Civil War undermine the efforts of the Revolutionary War? It's like saying that Episodes 2 and 3 undermined the happy ending of TPM or that Episodes 5 and 6 ruin the happy ending of ANH.

    Now, I'm not a poetry guy, in fact: I hate poetry, but I think for this occasion, it is fitting.

    Nature’s first green is gold,
    Her hardest hue to hold.
    Her early leaf’s a flower;
    But only so an hour.
    Then leaf subsides to leaf.
    So Eden sank to grief,
    So dawn goes down to day.
    Nothing gold can stay.
    https://www.poets.org/poetsorg/poem/nothing-gold-can-stay
     
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    I guess I don't know what people wanted.

    Did they live happily ever after? Great, you'll always have the original films where you can pretend that's the case. But realistically, it's absurd to think that conflict wouldn't eventually rise again.

    As much as people give Disney criticism for being "for kids", the sequel trilogy has played out like a sobering bleak take on reality. Issues covered like divorce, disillusionment, and existentialism are pretty heavy, and I think that in a universe that tackles those topics, "happily ever after" is a ridiculous concept.
     
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    I think the whole point of the original trilogy and the prequel trilogy were about darth vader's life , his birth, his downfall and his redeption, things that nothing will change, so the ST doesn't ruin anything at all . It's the natural course of things, victories are not eternal, peace neither, remember that there is always calm before the storm
     
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    For me it doesn't ruin the ending because I don't feel Ep7 is a continuation. The first six movies were the story of Darth Vader. No Darth Vader, no continuation. The new trilogy is set in the same galaxy but I don't feel it as a true sequel.
     
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    Meh. If you look at it from a historical perspective. Every war's end is pretty much the beginning of the next. Ww1-ww2- Cold War- war on terror. They are all the result of the previous.

    Every war's end causes a power vacuum, which is eventually filled. The Empire left a huge vacuum, which lead to the rise of the FO.
     
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