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Extended Force-Back in VIII (via MSW)

Discussion in 'Star Wars: The Last Jedi' started by Jedihopper, Aug 31, 2016.

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    Not her entire training. I can see Luke helping her revising parts of her visions and explore them in more detail. Lots of cool potential for themes like loss/fear/belonging that could directly tie into the challenges (ie facing her memories as a child and being left on Jakku) she faces and where she'll move forward as a character.

    That could be only part of the time they spend on her training. There's just so much potential there and clearly a lot of work went into setting it up for the next film.

    Remember, Yoda taught Luke a VARIETY of things and there wasn't just focus on one or two components. His training in ESB was very well rounded.
     
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    Wait, what?

    eradicate the entire Skywalker bloodline?

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    Like, not just Kylo Ren but Luke and Leia too?


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    Kill off all of big three OT characters?

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    So if Rey kills most everybody we knew before, simply because they're Skywalkers... That would be...a bit of downer for the Star Wars saga, wouldn't it?
     
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    What could be cool for me, instead of full-on force backs, would be a similar cave scene from ESB and Rey encounters some person from her past and then she gets more information from her meditations and then goes to Croatia to save her friends
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    I would dig that...but the flip side is it's almost too "on the nose" of an OT repeat...something TFA did too much of already...

    At least the Force-back thing (if the MSW report is correct) is a little different from the OT.
     
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    I think it's more of an alliteration but we already had too much of that in TFA ;) .
     
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    Nah, I mean I wouldn't want to mirror what was done in ESB. There's a big difference between what Luke and Rey saw. Luke was letting the Force guide him and saw the future to advance his journey. Rey and Luke should be exploring her visions to discover more about who Rey is (not just literally who her parents are) and who she WANTS to be.

    I love the idea of exploring the character of Rey through these experiences. It accomplishes two major things we didn't get a lot of in TFA in terms of character development: Rey's self-discovery (learning where she comes from, as she quite literally asked the question in TFA) and learning who she wants to become in the future.

    In regard to her force visions, Luke can help Rey uncover those two things (or set her on the path to do so). The audience gets to know Rey's character and who she wants to become.

    I always say.. you never start getting to know someone until you have to deal with a major challenge together. Although Rey has been through a decent amount thus far, we will discover who she really is once her back is pressed up against the wall. I think by having Rey deal with her fear (discovering her past, exploring the unknown), we'll get to know her a whole lot better. This will also set her up for the great challenge of facing Ren again. And this time, she will not have the advantage..

    And I'm looking forward to watching it unfold.
     
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    I think that we could even be better off learning about her past through her present actions if the story is done right .
     
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    Of course. But it doesn't have to be one or the other. ;)
     
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    As long as it's a force-back ;) .
     
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    It's still a kids movie. I doubt she would kill them. If it were true, I'd see Leia dying tragically earlier on and Luke sacrificing himself knowing the bloodline has to end after Rey kills Kylo.

    But even then, it's still a bit dark for the modern blockbuster.
     
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    Yeah, I was only half-joking about being freaked out, because that would be pretty dark and I probably wouldn't be able to watch the ST ever again! :eek: But I agree those Skywalkers can be problematic. ;)
     
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    I don't get where this whole "these are kids movies" comes from. Even EP3 was rated PG-13. These films were and still are enjoyed by all ages.

    "Kids movies" makes it sound like kids are the primary or only audience, which couldn't be further from the truth in regard to SW content.

    Even the Clones/Rebels series is watched by various demographics.
     
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    Meaning they have to be acceptable to young audiences. They buy the toys, they watch the cartoons. If you go too dark, you lose your core demographic.

    Star Wars would be a success without kids watching, but not the extreme success it is now.
     
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    There's a difference between "kid friendly" and "kids movies", though. One suggests kids can be included and one implies they're the focus. And I think we can all agree that EP3 wasn't very kid friendly.

    SW have never been "kids films" if you look at the demographics.

    Sorry to get OT just wanted to contribute my two cents.

    In regard to the forceback I'm really glad we're returning to it because I felt it was one of the best moments of EP7 and that there's so much more story left to tell there.
     
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    I'll revise then and say "Family movies". that is the more accurate description. Something that can be viewed as simplistic enough for children to understand, but contains subtext enough to interest adults as well while not being so overly violent or offensive as to earn a rating that would keep children away.
     
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    That's vastly more accurate I think. Although there's a lot of depth in these films that will fly over the head of those just looking for a great surface movie to enjoy (as you stated). There's literally something for everyone.

    That's the beauty and mass appeal of SW.

    EDIT: Although I will say PG-13 for violence (burning someone alive/CHILD MURDER) is borderline for keeping children away. :p
     
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    Flashbacks are only lazy if you tell me something I already know.

    As for my post I don't care either way. My point was if there is an extended force back then maybe that's how it happens.
     
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    Absolutely not, I want to see an 80's training montage to a sound track of power rock a la Rocky IV.
     
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    an idea a friend and me had lately, so beware before reading:

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    https://www.primagames.com/games/st.../spoiler-alert-star-wars-knights-old-republic

    I remember a rumor that the vision will change and Rey will take the place of masked Kylo. That it was her who killed Luke's students, or she was part of the attack team.

    Maybe they indeed borrowed from KOTR (I remember JJ is a fan of this game) and she was spared and brainwashed like Revan by either Luke or Ben. ;)
     
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    Kids can watch/read dark story material. Have you read The Little Prince? Or hey, Empire Strikes Back, right? I was four when I saw that in the cinema. Big scary wampa, the vision in the cave, Han being frozen in carbonite, Luke learning that the baddest villain in the galaxy was his dad while getting his hand chopped off. That was a dark movie. Rebels is dark too. Kids need dark to acclimatize them to the reality of life.
     
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