Extended Force-Back in VIII (via MSW)

i would absolutely love this. ever since the first play through of that game i have wanted them to get that story onto the big screen.

it would qualify as 'dark' and would explain a crap load about Rey

 

yes, it was also one of my favorite games ever. But the twist also creates some problems, especially for Ben/Kylo as the baddie and where to place him then. We may see...

 

i had plans for this weekend @nightangel and you've just messed them up.

i'll be chewing this over for days lol

what if.... Ben/Kylo was playing a reverse version of Shan? at an early age he force bonded with Rey and it screwed them both up? and neither have memory of it
it would explain the torture scene where she could sense his thoughts.

still doesn't explain what in sam hill she was doing on Jakku lol

much to think about

 

yes maybe, but this would lead too much into Reylo territory. I hope it plays out a little different.

 

Oh yeah, I don't think that's going to happen, but I think it's possible that we may be left thinking at the end of VIII is that that is what she has to do - after all Luke was supposed to have to kill Vader. Only in IX they'll find a new path like Luke did.

 

So....i take it you HATED citizen Kane then? Widely regarded as the best film of all time and just full of flashbacks.

 

i hate the Reylo idea.. but that's based on the 2 characters we think we know from TFA. i don't like the idea of the heroine having anything to do with the villain romantically.

this has probably been thrown up as an idea before, among the thousands since even before TFA came out... and i'll stick a spolier tag around it just in case..

Spoiler: wild idea

Just before Rey starts her stay on Jakku (i'm unsure of the timeline)..

Snoke's apprentice is a young looking woman (older than she looks) - think 'ventress', and he send her around the galaxy doing general bad things and recruiting/killing force sensitives as she goes. She has the knights of Ren with her - she is the master.

She comes across Ben Solo on her travels. In attempting to recruit/kill him, he fights back.. but then something not seen before in SW happens.
Because of Ben's ability to read/invade people's thoughts they join/bond. She is left with no memory and is completely incapacitated.. thought dead. Ben is left badly corrupted by the dark side. The knights take Ben to Snoke.. who promptly starts his training and promotes him to Master of the knights of Ren.

going into really far out thoughts now lol, but..

LST finds the nearly dead woman and takes her to Jakku. he watches over her there in case she ever re-discovers her powers.
the image of her as a young girl being left by her family is a part-made up memory.. she was left with Snoke at that age but she doesn't remember.

she awakens.

off topic.. kinda, but i'm guessing we'd find all this out in the forceback thing.

 

these are indeed some interesting ideas/thoughts and a kind of switch of apprentice. hmmm, maybe not impossible. I also think the force back/vision will be the key to everything.

 

Well, maybe it's a coïncidence but i have been thinking sort of the same thing

Spoiler: idea

After hearing about this new force vision in VIII we can be very sure that Kylo killing Luke's padawan's is probably only part of the story, there's more to it and these visions will show us that. I have a feeling that the story group may have borrowed the "twist" from the pc game "Knights of the Old Republic" (which was of course a superb game with an amazing twist)
In your idea Ben comes across Rey but since she's a KoR she wears a mask and is unrecognizable. This is key else Kylo would recognize Rey immediately in TFA which is not the case.

Edit: I just saw that this was already brought up by @nightangel

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A reply to my own post, see spoiler idea

 

nice idea. yeah it was @nightangel that put the idea there.. i hadn't even considered it.

it's Kylo's mask that's bugging me. vader wore one out of necessity.. it kept him alive.
Kylo's is not necessary.. yes it could be explained that he wants to hide away the image of Ben Solo forever, but it presents a multitude of twists and turns for story writers.

Maybe Ben isn't the one wearing the mask/robe in Rey's vision and wielding the cross-guard lightsaber.. maybe it's not a vision at all but a memory - a memory of her wearing that outfit and killing that guy by spearing him through the chest?

the possibilities are endless when you throw RJ a main character that goes around in a mask.. the mind boggles.

 

@arjank I started this discussion with mentioning that a friend and me had theses ideas and I think it was more your original idea.

 

Exactly, in Reys TFA vision we see the KoR with a masked KoR leader, but is that really Ben/Kylo? The unmasked one is of course Kylo, hmmmm.
Still, the Anakin/luke saber calling to Rey and that she can pull it towards her instead of Kylo makes me think that she just can't be a "darksider", it doesn't make sense.

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No problem
I think I debunked the idea already myself, LOL, but who knows

 

hmm, the lightsaber has a quite dark past as well and was created by Anakin, the later sith lord. Who knows, maybe the saber took over some dark side energy and calls now more to a darksider? I know a little far fetched.

 

not really... i drove past far fetched 2 days ago at 200mph and still haven't stopped lol

when i get a quiet 5 minutes i'm going to watch the vision through a couple of times.. but i'm gonna watch it with the view that everything in it is a memory of Rey's and see if i can conjure up a mad theory.

i appreciate that for kenobi's words (from Sir AG and EM) to be a memory of Rey's.. is a stretch to say the least. The very last scene has always looked like she was seeing her future fight in the woods on Starkiller base.. but who knows lol, i'll see what i can come up with.

 

Here is something I've been wondering about. Is Obi Wan's voice in real time? Meaning after Rey comes out of the vision she hears his voice.

The reason I ask this is because it's the only line not familiar like the rest in the vision besides Rey as a child.

It is the" Rey! These are your first steps" that snaps her out of the vision.

 

I guess we differ here. I took the ESB visions as first glimpses from someone in deep meditation. Also, I've always kinda thought yoda was manipulating to some degree. He didn't touch the Rock and see his whole destiny in a vision. AND, while I'm on it, I don't care for the "objects hold memories" thing. If she sits in Luke's x-wing, will she relive him blowing up the Death Star? If she holds Luke saber, will she see the battle at the sarlac pit, or his confrontation with Vader before the emperor? It bugs me me.

And I certainly don't need a "force back....ugh..." to convolute things further, only to have the "the big reveal". Just write a story that's good enough to keep me engaged and tell me a story.

Anyway, just my thoughts

 

I never thought of the saber has having memories INSIDE of it, just that The Force is surrounding it and guiding Rey along her destiny.

Big difference, I think.

 

Well I think we know what this set is gonna be now...