How do you interpret the prophecy of the chosen one

@master_shaitan
Fate and destiny seem to be being used as meaning two confusing different meanings.

Destiny
the events that will necessarily happen to a particular person or thing in the future.
"she was unable to control her own destiny"
Fate
the development of events outside a person's control, regarded as predetermined by a supernatural power.
"fate decided his course for him"

I think this is unnecessary, potential would perfectly suit your point. As in he had the potential to become anything he wanted.I Asked you before.

And you replied

If I said The force did not create Anakin and because of this Anakin could not possibly be the chosen one.
The prophecy of the chosen one is intrinsically linked with balance being Restored to the force. The restorer is bound to the force and fulfilment of bringing balance. Would you agree?
Essentially the force would create the fulfiller of the prophecy. It would have to be there destiny. In order to restore balance there would be unbalance.

 

I was referring t

I was referring to all the Sith that are in Legends one of them in a new canonized form could have survived. Yes Snoke is not a sith nor Kylo, but the Galaxy's history is not yet finished. I think it would be awesome to have Snoke be a former Ancient Sith Lord who was reborn with a new ideology and philosophy(ieVitiate).

 

Yes - Anakin being the chosen one means he is the one who will bring balance to the Force. That is to say he was 100% the chosen one regardless of what he chose to do but he was born as the chosen one with the destiny to bring balance.

Again, I answered this a few pages back. There are two possible answers:

1. Anakin wasn't created by the Force but was actually created by the Sith - I prefer this theory.
2. The Force can make its own predictions about the future based upon current events. So remember, everything is connected and forms one giant organism. Thus if the Sith are about and even if the Jedi cannot sense them, the Force knows they're there and it knows what they're planning. Therefore, it reacts to this and brings about a being who couldn't be missed - an all powerful chosen one. The boy is born with kindness in his heart to a good mother. And the will of the Force leads him to the Jedi and vice verser. Anakin must choose whether to follow this path and he does for a time. He turns bad. Then turns good again and does what he was born to do. But it's vital to note that he could (and did at one stage) reject his destiny.

 

If you no longer wish to engage in the discussion thats fine, I though we were talking about how these things can be possible, but at the moment your responses seem to be implying I am repeating questions. as your view can be slightly inconsistent I have to occasionally confirm you are in agreement on what were discussing.
Are you making this point so later you can suggest I have misrepresented your argument and repeated question (in a negative way?)

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I'd like to remind you If were going that way that this would seem to be incongruent with

 

My comments haven't been inconsistent. You simply haven't read them or taken the time to understand them which shows a lack of respect considering the fact that I have answered each question you have put to me.

No, you've literally asked me the same questions several times and, as proven on the previous page, not read my responses. I see there is little point continuing with this, especially as you're someone that doesn't take official canon facts into account. That's fine, but it prevents sensible discussion. I think I've made my point in here clear enough over the past several pages. The answers you seek will be in there if you take the time.

Hope you find them, Fallen Angel...

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I'll take the shark bait one last time...

I'm saying his destiny was to bring balance - something he could reject. But he was always the "chosen one" in the respect that he was born with the ability to bring balance. If he failed there wouldn't be the real chosen one showing up. It would be game over.

As Kenobi said:

"You WERE the chosen one!".

There. I'm done. No more "inconsistency" comments please - just take time to understand what I have written.

 

What? there was nothing PROVEN on a previous page I asked you a question - it turned out you had answered the question at the top of the page I acknowledged the mistake to you. You have since been unnecessarily rude?

 

Factual, not rude. You keep asking me things I have answered over previous pages. You have asked me dozens of questions. I answered them all. Only asking for the respect of you actually reading and processing them. And I answered that question twice on the same page before you asked a third time.

I was hoping that you'd learned from your previous errors in these discussions and would take on what people say, study it and then carry on. Like I say, I'm done here. Good luck to you.

 

I would say this is a clear demonstration of inconsistency my friend. I asked one question and for some reason you bit my head off?
So when you say:

And:

Or:

Your view diverges and you maintain two completely opposing points of view.

You then go on to say.

And revert back

You expect me to keep up with your ever evolving view?

 

*Shakes head*

Just stop quoting me. I'm not replying anymore.

 

are you getting a sense of why I seek to clarify points with you?

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Anakin was a truly good kid who was created by the Sith?
he could choose his own destiny yet was the chosen one - who has a fixed destiny?
lets not forget this classic.

A collective consciousness, that has cognition and longs for peace, you would have to credit sentience to?

 

Understand and I do agree with GL about Anakin. I can see Disney alter the prophecy of the chosen one for the sake of the ST. maybe we should as pablo about it. its fans like me and you that have different views and hold on and cypher the meaning. im fine with the whole anakin bring the balance to the force, killing the SITH. its just the prophecy about balance of the force doesnt apply if you continue it to TFA. if not then the dark and light side are just what it is, force sensitive people who use it as a superpower. to me there was not balance cause they mention that you need a Jedi to have order and balance. so that means that there was another SITH after/during the time the emperor died and or Luke being the only Jedi he couldnt maintain the balance(which is correct cause he failed with the Jedi academy) so the only thing he had to do was to find knowledge of the force at the temple. just like Yoda went to Dagoba. There could of been balance in the force after the death of the emperor but you have to have both sides to have balance. thats where the story lies. what happen after RoTJ is the gap filled.

Legacy I understand but it doesnt make Kylo Ren a SITH if someone appointed him. We need to know why his name is Kylo Ren first off. There has to be a SITH alive. So with the chosen one, or lets just say now Balance of the force, Luke couldnt have all the power of the force if he was the only Jedi(presumably) and who is the SITH to balance. Dark and Light if anyone can be a force user doesnt make it balance cause then anyone can learn both sides. if they are going away with Jedi/SITH and making it a "religion:" then Luke has to die.

In the OT Vader defends the force cause he thinks Jedis are all dead and tell people not to underestimate it. if he can sense the force then it has to be enabled in the person. He didnt feel it in Leia cause she didnt know. Obi Wan enabled Luke which made Vader feel the disturbance.

So back to the damn rambling, the chosen one by GL is Anakin but the "balance of the force" has not been followed nor cannot be balance cause its missing JEDI and SITH.

 

Balance isn't about numbers of Jedi or Sith. The reason Tekka says there cannot be balance without the Jedi is because there won't be anyone to stop those that use the dark side from taking over.

The pt made it clear that imbalance was caused by the Sith spreading evil. Just look - the balance began to slip in tpm when there were thousands of Jedi and 2 Sith. Then when the clone wars start and evil spreads, the imbalance is great.

As JJ says, rotj wasn't the end of the eternal struggle between good and evil. Both always exist regardless of the Jedi and Sith or whoever. Evil people will spread the dark side if unopposed. That's what's happened again. The Sith didn't cause imbalance because they were called Sith, it was because of their actions. The FO and kor are simply doing the same again and are succeeding because Luke is in exile. The Jedi will return though, defeat those that spread evil and the force will be rebalanced again...hopefully for longer this time!

 

@master_shaitan The prophecy would just say to restore good, It says restore balance for a reason.

May I suggest as this has been interesting debate, and if I offended you by asking the same question more than once I apologise again, I have no aim beyond understanding whats being said I ashore you, maybe we move past it.

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Do you think this metaphor may be analogous exactly to the amount of numbers.

 

The PT was the prophecy of the chosen one bring balance of the force. So there was not balance between in the force if they were searching for balance. the rule of 2 SITHs the siths rule. Even the Jedi werent convince Anakin was the chosen one. you right with the numbers game, 2SITH vs all jedis. but taking the interpretation of the chosen one is to set balance to the force. you can have one without the other, yin and yang, right?

So going with what I said about "The Chosen One" the prophecy is done with Anakin being the one. Balance of the force is needed Jedi/SITH. The whole dark/light side of the force wouldnt make sense, why would Tekka say that if its always needed. Why did Luke leave if he was the only one who can maintain the balance of the SITH.

I guess the point im justifying is that to me there was never any balance to the force. Anakin fulfilled the prophecy of the chosen one in RoTJ and Luke didnt maintain balance to the force if others use the force for evil. yes there is evil and people using the force for good and bad but if they are using that method of light and dark to tekka's reference then why would he say it. I feel that the whole force user has to be explained more. not just take it as that we think Rey could be a Jedi and Kylo could be a SITH.

 

@master_shaitan is right about the the dark/light concept and how the prophecy is true to canon. The only thing that gets me is the whole balance of the force part of it. this is why its good to debate @playswellwithsharks, we can analyze each others opinion and input it into this interpretation. Why are they trying to find Luke? Why does Kylo need more training? Why is Rey and the Skywalker lightsaber attracted to her? how she hears Yoda/Obi/Emperor voices? KOR? are we seeing the rebirth of Jedi and SITH? or just dark and light side of the force.

So i ask Pablo about the chosen one and balance of the force. maybe i should of ask about why Lor Tekka said about balance without a Jedi but maybe I should just wait or ask later but its only his opinion and not a factual answer regarding prophecy and balance and chosen one but its like this thread, up to interpretation.

 

@master_shaitan
Ive been reading through the thread tonight its been fun. For fear of re aasking a question that has already been asked, is this still your view on the force or not?

#360

#368

 

I think if I may say so you're viewing the force on a micro scale. The force is created by all living things and connects all living things - it's far bigger than the Jedi and the Sith and is a power that is beyond them not within them. The point about balance is that it's about a balance good and evil in the entire galaxy. The Jedi and the Sith are simply the most powerful at influencing this balance but their numbers mean nothing.

With or without the Jedi and the Sith the force of course exists and the concept of balance exists. Anyone can cause an imbalance, force users or not - by spreading evil across the galaxy. The point about the Sith is that they were just very good at being evil because they were so powerful.

And that is why the Jedi are vital - a dark side group will always exist and unchecked will spread evil and bring imbalance. Only the Jedi have the power and personality to stop them.

We don't yet know why Luke left but I have a feeling it is because he has in some way been weakened/compromised and so must stay out the way to ensure his own survival for the sake of the Jedi and/or to not make matters worse. Perhaps Luke has been waiting for Rey so he can teach her the ways of the Jedi so she can do what he no longer can?

But back to the balance: the imbalance increase as the Sith spread more and more evil so I think that makes it clear what was behind it. The Jedi had just become inept at dealing with the Sith and at the same time the chosen one was being corrupted...

 

Maybe I didnt ask a deeper

I got cha man. I like to use the concept of how they are using it now. yes its all living things like Yoda said. I do think that their are force users who dont know it as the force but use it for good or bad(light or dark) which we get in TFA. I do believe that Jedi's and SITHs are vital to the balance as well cause of how Luke story is folding. Kylo is spreading the darkside of the force and Rey is "awaken" her abilities.

Anakin was always the chosen one cause even in the Mortis episodes they wanted him to take the fathers spots in the force but like you said he denied it cause he thought he was able to do it himself. that the SITH needed him to turn to swing the balance of the force.

And I agree with you with Luke cause something happen to him to where he had to leave in order to keep focus on the JEDI way. Thats why Rey found him and why we will find out the jedi academy. I do believe he plays the Obi-Wan/Yoda role here. I think KOR are his padawans he once had. Kylo of course was his apprentice.

The prophecy and the balance of the force are so similar that we get caught into it. We hold on to the Jedi/SITH of the force cause its apart of the force. even in the OT they slowly go away from JEDI/SITH force that its a religion and with Tekka and the church of the force. so we want to believe that REY/KYLO will play a major role into JEDI/SITH when they are showing like you said "balance of good and evil" one is confused and one is unsure. you can decypher that anyway you can.

I feel you in the subject. Did you make the thread? ha. i think @playswellwithsharks is holding on to the JEDI/SITH concept.

 

@Leahcim Somar

Okay, so you're saying you think they've changed the idea of balance to be about a balance between force users?

The problem here is that Anakin is confirmed as the chosen one. That essentially means he did bring balance to the force when he destroyed the Sith. The Jedi remained of course through Luke. That to me shows that the people in charge of the new stories still view the balance in the same way Lucas did - that's it's about good and evil in the universe, not numbers of force users and their use of the force.

Interesting idea about kor being his padawans. I personally think they're the military branch of the acolytes of the beyond who are Vader/Sith fanatics. 100% with you on Luke's role though.

I didn't create the thread. Just spent way too many hours posting in it!

 

ok, this is my view. Vader was the chosen one for the Sith, he destroyed the Jedi and restored balance. Everything still aligns to cannon

It was prophesied one would come who would bring balance to the force, At the time the chosen one is conceived there must then be unbalance.

Anakin was sent to restore balance to the force as the Sith chosen one.

The prophecy is "one will bring balance not he force", The Jedi interpreted this to be "Anakin restored balance by killing the Sith", Yoda doubted this by saying "a prophecy misinterpreted this may be"

This turns out to be correct, Yoda was right it was a misinterpretation of the prophecy, Anakin was the chosen one, just not in a way expected, he was a Sith chosen one. The Jedi were right he was "A" chosen one, George was right he did fulfil the prophecy. There is no suspension of disbelief in realising the Jedi just got him wrong, They always sensed danger in his training but tried to teach him any way. Vader remains as we always knew him. As does Luke. Everything is in line with cannon.