SPECULATION Huge Theory About Episode IX & The Last Jedi



 

But threw down his lightsaber and was prepared for Vader to strike him down.

 

I will recall this if it turns out to be true...lol

 

I don't ignore that Bendu and whills are canon or that they look for the "middle ground". That is obviously in canon.

Where in canon is it confirmed that Ahsoka is a grey jedi? She is NOT a Jedi. She is a force wielder. Who are these "confirmed canon" grey jedi? Pablo isn't lying. If you do not hold to the Jedi version of the force. You are no longer a Jedi. He puts it perfectly in his tweets.

Secondly Pablo does not feed "disinformation". If people are on to a good theory, he says nothing! That's why he's so outspoken on Plagueis because ITS A BS THEORY, yet is mum on everything else. He has no time for inane theories to be tweeted at him so he debunks BS and doesn't talk about other theories.

You could be right. However, Dash Star's theory has holes in it and if Dash is going to cherry pick information, his theory is wide open to critique from other angles.

 

Maybe they just start to make things right again.
So that light vs. dark isn't about anger/passion vs. calm and ignoring any feelings/attachments, but as Lucas according to the video above states
about selfishness vs. selflessness.
You don't need anger to be selfish (but anger might help make you blind for others) and it doesn't automaticly make you selfish if you feel anger.
So the Jedi need to come back to the basics, being selfless, even if they feel attached to people or feel anger from time to time.

 

nope and never will be.

 

Leia is someone who used anger for power and it wasn't selfish or for evil as an example.

Here we go again. Never say never about anyone in this Universe.

 

Clearly the ST is once again about Light vs Dark. Good vs Evil. It has to be or we get a muddy mess of a story. That being said, there is room for some "grey". We already saw it with Luke.

• Yoda was very clear in his belief that "once you start down the dark path, forever will it dominate your destiny".
• The Jedi believed that you needed young innocent children to teach. Once they were too old, there were too many attachments and influences that would undermine keeping people truly "light".
• Luke took these two very basic but important principals of the Jedi and chucked them out of the window! He was WAAAAAY too old to be trained. AND, he "started down the dark path", flirted with his anger, but still was able to keep control and return to the light. You could say, he was able to "go grey" for a while.
• Is there intended "grey" imagery with Luke's TFA costume? Was/Is Luke the first Jedi to master staying in the grey? Is that why he seems unhinged? The constant pull to either side?
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Now, this leads us to where we are at with Episodes 7-9.

• It's clear Kylo Ren is feeling the pull to the light, proving "once you start down the dark path" is still complete nonsense. Yoda was so wrong here, again Vader is proof. Luke knows this.
• Luke trained Ben Solo, but I get the feeling it wasn't starting at a young age. It seems to me Han and Leia didn't want him trained as a boy, but when Ben discovered this power for himself, it started to corrupt him. Add Snoke's influence and you probably had one troubled kid. So Leia sends him to Luke to be trained. Luke, knowing he himself was trained late in life, probably thought he could "fix" Ben. Remember, Luke doesn't believe you have to fall to the dark side or cannot return from it.
• Luke fails and Ben turns to the Dark Side. Now Luke's failure has him searching for the true meaning of light/dark/grey etc. He knows what is possible, which is why he seeks out more knowledge leading him to Ahch-To. I believe Luke will discover the only way for the Jedi to return is the way the original Jedi Order was built, with innocent beings without attachments. "If Skywalker returns the new Jedi will rise". You could rephrase it "If Skywalker returns it will be to train new Jedi". He will seek innocents to train, except one is about to come to him.
• Rey's character was intentionally innocent and light. She never lied when questioned, she didn't sell BB-8, etc. She was the perfect choice of the force. Someone with no attachments, pure and innocent for her age, noble and filled with compassion. I would argue the NEW Chosen One so to speak.
• We also see with Rey that she feels the dark side during her Kylo Ren fight but was able to control herself without any training.

So now we have a pure light side user in Rey that flirted with her anger and overcame. We also have a dark side user in Ren who flirted with compassion and overcame. Yin and Yang.

I really don't believe the grey will enter the picture much more than being the area you make your choice. Kylo was in the grey but chose darkness and killed Han. Luke was in the grey but chose not to kill Vader and stay in the light.

 

couple things...

1) The term Grey Jedi has been around for years and years, before the "force-user" term was coined and used. So its struck around
2) Not everyone who likes Star Wars and would talk about these things is a big enough fan to be up to dateon what all the proper terms is
3) "Jedi", I would argue, is stilla better term to describe someone like Ahsoke in Rebels then Force User.

 

No he tossed his sabre aside and declared he is a Jedi like his father before him. Its in plain sight and declared on screen.

I saw this video last night. This is a really compelling there from the evidence. However if it ends up that the third way is better or superior somehow. It breaks SW. It destroys it. Sure it will still be cool but it will lose its soul. The idea is that of good and evil, compassion and selfishness. Right in the beginning of the vid he shows Lucas talking about the Selfishness verses Compassion ideal. Lucas always tied the balance of the force to the imbalance created by the dark side. Hence Lor San Takka "there can be no balance without the Jedi." Balance was not the keeping of some cosmic spiritual scale equal. It was a wheel that if through selfishness and greed and death was disrupted would spin out of balance and eventually break. Meaning selfish relationships end in pain. Greed creates injustice. Hate causes suffering. The idea that you can reconcile that idea with you need both sides of the coin is more than just not what Lucas intended it changes the message of SW from Good always strives against Evil. To its okay to not be too good because being evil is sometimes okay and stuff.

 

I was about to disagree until I got to those final two paragraphs!
I think you express some interesting ideas about how Luke might've gone wrong and why Rey is the one to correct these mistakes.
My feeling is that Luke would've continued where he left off from ROTJ and trained his pupils as Yoda trained him. I think however that he felt compelled to help his nephew and that this was ultimately his undoing. It's now down to Rey to convince Luke that this wasn't his fault and that she can be the new Jedi.

Like you say though, the "grey" is a temporary position for those who are still making a choice between light and dark. Once that choice is made, they become Jedi or they become "Sith".

 

So, I watched the video, and its great. It's a great amalgamation of the evidence pointing to some sort of "grey" that many, many people here (including myself - this is absolutely not an exclusive idea, but Dash did tremendously in not disrespecting fellow fans by not trying to claim it as his own) have pointed out before.

The line from 7:477 that caught my attention most, without a doubt, is the line:

By the resolving of gray
Through refined Jedi sight.

Instantly, my gut reaction was that this was in reference to Rey ("untrained, but stronger than she knows") and that only through Luke's training and oversight (he is resolving her; it is his sight that will do this) will she be able to bring balance to the Force. Snoke, on the other hand - to our knowledge - is not a Jedi, yet he is attempting to use Kylo in a similar way.

I think the best piece of evidence pointed out, without a shadow of a doubt, is the inclusion of 7:477 at the beginning of the TFA novelisation; again, this isn't exactly an original piece, but it's a great pool of evidence to go to. Hopefully this gives some more credence to this being the last trilogy in the Skywalker saga...

 

Building on the idea that gray is a temporary situation, I think it kind of debunks the notion that the Whills poem HAS to point to how the ST ends.
In my opinion it clearly can point to Luke.

"The difference, they say" <----points to old teachings. "They say" refers to known myth or legend.
"Is only made right, by resolving the gray through refined Jedi sight" <----Luke was able to be in the gray, give in to anger BUT get out of it thanks to his "refined Jedi sight". He SAW himself becoming more like Vader when he looked at his hand. He was able to "resolve the gray". That's when he realized "I am a Jedi"!

A jedi typically doesn't play in the gray area like mere mortals. Their refined Jedi sight is what is so rare and why they are so needed to defeat the dark side and bring balance.

A typical Sith or Dark Side user gets in that gray area and then continues to the dark side. Destroying balance and spreading evil.

 

Exactly. I've just been talking attachment in the "Is Luke Rey's daddy" thread.
It works in the same way. A Jedi isn't someone who can never be touched by the Dark Side. They're never infallible people.
They are simply people who are disciplined and practice a certain lifestyle and this practice is a daily thing. An ongoing thing.
For instance, a Jedi WILL feel fear and anger. They will become attached to people or an idea. But they know how to handle it. They know how to let go.
They are trained to do so.
It's not like they just let go as padawans and cured themselves of fear etc. They practice at it every day.
And so, the point is that a Jedi will encounter situations or feel things themselves that are "grey". And through their training, they can resolve these situations.

 

I think we will see TWO force users in the gray (Rey and Kylo) at times during The Last Jedi.

Only Luke will have the "refined Jedi sight", but he himself now has doubts about his own ability after his failure. Which is another reason I believe he exiled himself. He needed to resolve the gray due to quandary of needing the defeat his own nephew that he knew wasn't totally lost. He sought more from the force leading him to the first Jedi Temple. Trying to gain clarity to his sight. Then this beacon of light shows up, someone who just had her awakening. Innocent, without attachments, and ready to learn.

One could also say if Kylo is redeemed the difference will be his ability to resolve all that gray, "through refined Jedi sight".

 

Agree that Kylo will also be in the grey, what I was saying is that Snoke seems to also need the "grey" (him being a balance of Light and Dark as acknowledged in the novelisation) for something else. I personally don't see Kylo being redeemed (too Vader-esque for my liking) and think he'll either turn darker (if we see another trilogy, for example, he could be the villain) or become "grey" like Rey will.

As I've mentioned before, the TLJ title does refer to Luke as the last of the Jedi (obviously), but he will also be the actual last Jedi (Rey will not become a Jedi and the Jedi Order will be replaced with whatever Rey's group - the Bendu I suppose - will be).

To further that, why would the Jedi Order fail to return before TFA under Luke's guidance, only to successfully return under Luke's guidance because of...Rey?

 

Especially with that "I would burn down the galaxy if I thought it was right." LOL

I agree with the aforementioned comments regarding the existence of Force-users who dwell in the middle, like in a Grey area, but not specifically called "Grey Jedi". Either you are a Jedi or not. Ahsoka is a Force-wielder who dwells more into the Light Side of the Force, but she is certainly no Jedi.