Insulted by last Jedi? Does Disney deserve anymore of your money after this?

These images just reiterate my point that if I had just watched the movies it would have all made sense because I would automatically assume Rey was sold to Unkar as a child.

However,

here is what the Rey's Survival Guide says about Rey being left on Jakku:



In Rey's own words, she doesn't even know how she got stranded on Jakku in the first place unlike what was mentioned in TLJ, and there is no mention of drunkard parents or being sold..... unless I make all sorts of assumptions and twist/ignore facts.

As for Unkar turning up only later in her life, here is a second page from Rey's Survival Guide.



Based on this entry, we can conclude the following:

- Rey did not work for one master but multiple people (here she names two people but no Unkar Plutt)

- She mentions how some of them treated her as their property and doesn't want to name them. This again cannot refer to Unkar since she literally names him two paragraphs later.

- One could assume the people who treated her as property were the ones who bought her but that makes no sense if she is assisting multiple people, unless a whole group of scavengers pooled in to buy a 5-6 year old girl and then allowed her to work for other people....which just makes no sense.

- She also mentions striking out on her own, not something a slave would be doing.

- Unkar Plutt makes an appearance when she struck out on her own and other scavengers were not taking her seriously and asked them to leave her alone.

These pages clearly indicate that she is not anyone's slave but stranded on Jakku and scavenging to survive.....hence my feeling that the other canon material and the movies lack connectivity and even contradict one another.

 

There's not a contradiction or connectivity issue. That is just what she believed to be truth.

 

My problem is with continuity in canon, not with the movies themselves.

I don't want to waste money and thought trying to reconcile conflicting canon by making wild interpretations about Rey's headspace and the economy of Jakku just to reconcile the two. The Rey in Rey's Survival Guide is not a slave and was stranded on Jakku by mistake. Rey in TLJ was a slave sold for booze money and she was aware of this fact.

Canon material is meant to bolster and facilitate understanding the movies, not to confuse people with conflicting information. If I had only watched the movies, I would not have this complaint.

She clearly believed a different truth in the movie, and another in the books.

 

I say to this.

You felt being insulted by Episode 8 and you don't want to go see Episode 9 or even Solo.... don't go... just don't!

Why would you "Force" yourself into seeing something you no longer like in theaters?

Do something else of your life, there is plenty life can offer.

 

If you are referring to my post, kindly read it properly. I never had a problem with the movies. My issue is with canon continuity between books and movies.

I liked Episode VIII and am more than happy to see Episode IX...I just said I will stop buying books, comics etc because of lack of continuity.

 

IMHO the idea of being "insulted" by this movie is just a semantic attempt to make a negative opinion the moral high ground.

You can dislike this movie. I can understand why. I like it but it took me time to process and some parts still don't work.

But I have a big problem with insinuating that this movie is an "insult," as if the creators weren't actually putting their love and care into this and trying to make the best movie possible. Those of us who like it can see the attention and artistry put into it.

 

Got ya

Thanks.

For my part, I never spend a coin on anything else but my movie ticket... sometimes videogames.

 

That's real easy, you have two different directors with 2 different visions for TFA and TLJ. It is not about expectations as I went unspoiled for both, and was never expecting this trilogy to equal the OT. I never expected Luke to be in TFA for 2 minutes, or Han Solo and Leia to be split up, so that wasn't the story in my head for 30 years. But JJ nailed it with the spirit of the movie, the style, the humor, the pacing, as he understood what made the OT great and I loved the movie. Rian Johnson's style just isn't for me just like Tim Burton's style for a Batman movie just isn't for me either. Certain directors connect with a certain audience, but not with the masses and that is why Rian Johnson was probably a poor choice for the Saga film, and probably better for the new Trilogy or a Standalone film.

Would I want a David Fincher, Quentin Tarantino or David Lynch directing a Star Wars movie? No, because their styles don't jive with a Blockbuster movie as they are better doing 'their' type of movie that appeals to a certain type of movie goer. All of these directors are super talented, but they are just not for everyone, where a guy like JJ Abrams (who may not be as talented in that respect) is better off for a Blockbuster film as he revived Mission Impossible, Star Trek and Star Wars. I'll probably like Episode 9 because JJ Abrams is writing and directing it, as his style suits me and the masses. It's not to say that Rian Johnson is a hack, but his style may not be for everyone. Unfortunately when you make a blockbuster, you are making a movie for the masses, not a niche audience.

 

It is an insult. If you are into Reylo, then most likely you enjoyed the movie. If you believe that Tuesday comes after Monday then yeah the movie is a serious insult. Most of us are not privileged. We are the working class.... The underdogs.... but Rian Johnson wants the audience to sympathize with a man who comes from privilege, and not the Stormtroopers.... Who most likely come from backgrounds similar to ours. Rian saw the color of the people playing the characters and wrote his movie based on that.
Empathizing with Kylo is like empathizing with Trump. The crazy thing is I have more respect for Trump than I do Kylo. At least Trump is into family. This guy wants to kill his and blame them too.

 

I hope you're right, but, wouldn't it take a major, MAJOR failure for them to engage in the PR hurricane of firing Kennedy? The lone fact that Kennedy is female would invite also sorts of unfair criticism if they fired her. I'd love to be wrong and let people all be evaluated simply on their merit, but, I don't think that's often the case these days.

 

Yeah I am not seeing the contradiction I am seeing more information that fits the loose details we got in the films. Its more information not conflicting information. Now it informs the context of the films and the films informs the context of the books but that's how revealing information works.

First off Kylo is the villain. Yes he's privileged. He is in the wrong. His take on things is flawed. Even if they speak about his conflicted nature or show sympathetic events he is still a horrific mass murderer who killed his father, and is working to destroy freedom in the galaxy seeing elements that call for sympathy don't negate his evil they tell a complex story rather than an simple one with 1 dimensional characters.

Second the very narrative of the story of both films favors the working man and the oppressed.
1- Finn is a child soldier who defys the 1st Order and fights them.
2- Rey is a subsistence scavenger who literally scavenges to eat. She is literally set up to be a parallel opposite of the privileged one. He's rich, she's scrounges to eat, he is from an known powerful politically family, she is no one from a place so backward and remote Tatooine seems a metropolis.
3- Canto Bight contrasts the war profiteers with the kids in the stables and even returns to the stables to show one of the kids using the force.

 

I hate the Reylo theory, and I liked TLJ.

I know my days of the week, and I still liked TLJ.

Lol.

 

So yeah, if you like the movie you're somehow a working-class-hating-Trump-supporter, cool, okay, but let's step back a second.

Personally, I think the point of the movie is that ANYONE can be a hero, not just those from privilege, and the heroes are former Stormtroopers and underdog ship technicians. And sympathizing with villains isn't something we're used to doing in blockbusters but it's something important for us to learn as a society. Nobody is entirely good or entirely irredeemable. When we disagree with somebody we want to turn them into a cartoon villain, but the truth is always more complicated, and TLJ reminds us of this.

But all that is besides the point. In my opinion, to call it a movie an INSULT is to make a judgment call about the creators themselves. It's to say that they made it carefully, or even with an intent to insult, which is blatantly untrue. Just look at the BTS stuff we've seen, or read through the Art Of book.

 

Amazing. Every word of what you just said was wrong.

 

Speaking of merit: Kathleen Kennedy also happens to be one of the most accomplished producers in cinema history.
If you want to see someone making brave business decisions simply on merit for instance, look no further than hiring Rian Johnson to write and direct this.

 

No doubt. And if I were starting a studio on some unnamed property she'd be at the top of my list. =P But is she handling *Star Wars* in a way that puts the fans ahead of PR and merch? I'm really not convinced of that. Again, I'd love to be wrong here!

 

That's been a topic for debate since the Kenner Toys went viral way back when. It will never go away.

 

Sorry but I disagree.... the books are meant to add supplementary information to the films and what I posted shows a clear contradiction between both....I see a huge contradiction between someone sold into slavery (in TLJ) and a scavenger who is clearly not a slave but barely finding enough junk to trade and survive (according to the books)...and if you don't that is wonderful for you and you should definitely continue to buy the books, comics etc.

As for me, I don't see the value in wasting money and will stick with only the movies, which can be easily enjoyed without delving into other canon materials.