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Intriguing new character named Aya

Discussion in 'Star Wars: The Last Jedi' started by McDiarmid, Nov 19, 2017.

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    Great points.
    I would like to think that way too and hoping in EIX we could know more things about this character development.
     
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    he tells her he saw her parents and then waits to see if she will ask him, which she doesn't because she already knows the truth.
    his whole point in the elevator is to tell her that she will turn because she is nothing and has nothing and he can give her everything.

    he's an idiot and it's not going to go the way he thinks, but that and a lot of twitterpating is all that's going on here. XD
     
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    Their look in the elevator is so:
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    Ok new favourite gif jokes aside, This whole Aya thing is starting to become like a dead horse that's been resurrected and beaten anew. Rinse and repeat. Endless cycle of death and rebirth.

    Too much of Rey's characterisation in TLJ is underpinned by her parents being random bums (aka no one), it fits in with one of the central themes of the movie (letting go of the past to move on) and her place in the ending (as a point of hope for new Jedi that is tied to no past prestige or family name-the quality of this plot point and its execution has been debated a lot, but I think everyone gets that it's the gist of it.)

    With Ren, he is just an emo idiot. He cares, but in a "muh selfish dark side way of darkness" (hence the emoness and belief she is nothing "but to him").
     
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    i have a feeling that ix will find these two older and wiser and ready to behave less like naive little bumbling hatchlings. XD
     
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    As long as we don't get a 50 year time skip where they become two really old bickering enemies (arguing about how they've been avoiding eachother out of a fear of rejection/worry until now), I agree!

    I want me some mature Kylo and badass Rey! Especially for him to pull his head out his rear!
     
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    I think Kylo has used Rey very cleverly, to distract Snoke and execute him.
    His move on Snoke was brilliant.

    Kylo is clever enough not to see Rey as another one to kill, but as a possible most powerfull ally. This is obvious from the start, from ep VII.

    In the elevator Kylo obviously had considered possibility to use Rey as an ally.

    Only at the end of ep VIII, he realises she can not be turned into his ally.
     
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    yes, he plotted to kill Snoke and Rey said she'd help him.
    that was their agreement.

    only she expected him to come back to the Light and he expected her to rule the galaxy with him.
    they've disappointed each other, but it's not fatal.
     
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    It is fatal, and inevitable.

    It is the eternal circle defined in best Star Wars canon book..

    “The Tide is a powerful force, and it can drown you as well as uplift you. Long before they came to Lew’el, our ancestors had learned how to ride the Tide. For a time they were the brightest stars in the galaxy, drawing the interest of those who loved power and sought my ancestors’ aid in their quest for more of it. Some of my ancestors succumbed to the temptation and believed that they could master a force that sustained the very fabric of existence; others believed that it was impossible as well as morally repugnant to try to turn the Tide, the ether that connects everything to everything else, into an instrument for domination. The war between them brought great suffering and devastated a thousand worlds before it finally burned out. The survivors came to Lew’el to hide, vowing never again to allow knowledge of the Tide to be used to pervert it.”

    Elder grandmother to Luke Skywalker,planet Lew'el.
    Legends of Luke Skywalker, Fishing on Deluge.
     
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    pretty sure they'll be fine. the Force wants balance. they need each other. [shrug]
     
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    Force needs Kylo to be no more and Rey will not need to use Force anymore to opose him (like Luke on Ahch-To,or people on Lew'el.).

    Force does not belong to anyone, using it for personal cause is perverting it.(says Luke, says book)

    So, Rey must kill Kylo(or convert him) and than disconnect from Force like Luke on Ahch-to, and that's it. That's what Force wants.


    I mean, we want unsuspecting end of the saga , do we?
     
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    i expect the good guys to win in way that's neither nihilistic nor cynical.
     
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    I am just sticking to new canon.

    The nature of the Force is such that one is perverted by using it, it does not belong to any person. We must accept Film , the teaching of Luke. Luke says truth to Rey.

    Egostic Kylo must be no more. He must be converted back to Ben,or die.

    The existance of powerful darksider Kylo and powerful Lightsider Rey is not balance of the Force, it is eternal War that burns down the worlds and causes endles suffering.

    https://thecantina.starwarsnewsnet....character-named-aya.53240/page-15#post-475772
     
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    as i said, Ben and Rey will be fine.
     
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    I hope so, but Kylo awaits catharsis.

    Han, Luke, Leia, Rey, and a list of persons, and spirits ,that will haunt him.....this man will not sleep well, and one does not need to be prophet or dirrector of ep IX to see its inevitable.
     
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    Luke never said the force is perverted by using it though. He said,

    "that force does not belong to the Jedi"
    "to say that the Jedi dies, the light dies is vanity"

    Nothing about you cannot use it without perverting it.

    To me it was saying to use the force you don't have to be a jedi. Also, just because there is no jedi, it dones't mean there will not be a lightside. You can use the force and be part of the light without being a Jedi. The Jedi of old would take force sensitive children and teach them the ways of the Jedi. I think Luke is just saying force doesn't belong to just the Jedi and the Jedi ways. Their ways allowed the Sith to rise under their noses. Doesn't mean there are not other ways.
     
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    I am combining teachings from Lew'el and Luke's which are in conjuncture.
    Force is having its own will.

    In my eyes, after Luke's teachings in ep VIII:
    Using the Force for yourself is just as Chewy eating Porg.Of course you can do it. Of course it will even feed you for some time,and be tasty, but its not right.

    Because, The Force , just as Porg has its own will and the right on its own.
     
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    I seriously don't mean to rain on your parade, but this book is obscure side content right? And I read that Aya is a little girl when Luke meets here, so there's like a huge age differences?

    If it's not mainstream, it doesn't really influence the main canon all that much. If Aya gets revealed as Rey's mother in IX with no build up but that, 99.9% of the audience will go "who dat?" and find it bad writing, even worse than TLJ if you hated it.

    S.S Reylo Titantic needs to sail right? :p
     
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    Aya is in the novel already a young woman (about 19) and is telling her story how she meet Luke when she was 12.Luke visited her planet seeking precious knowledge.

    She is grown woman, stowaway on a cargo ship. She is going to find Luke as she prommised years ago. First person story.

    Judging from Luke's finding of the ancient star compass on Pillio, which could have lead Luke to Lew'el, Luke was 24 or 25 years old when he visited Lew'el.

    . So, Luke is most likely 12-13 years older than Aya. If she found Luke afterwards, when she was 20 he was 32.

    Rey was born when Aya would be about 22-24.

    As a point of reference, age diference between main love expectation amongst fandom Kylo-Rey(galactic Titanic), is 10 -11 years .

    In the film, we see Luke uses teachings from Lew'el.As well as spearfishing he learned there, which is unique.
     
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    I meant that if Aya and Lew'el were mentioned in TLJ. You'd have a much stronger case for her being Rey's mother,. Heck, I'd be on board with this theory. But she wasn't, and Luke didn't even recognise her if she was his daughter, which is the biggest knock against any Luke/OC parentage theory.

    Plus the compass played no part in TLJ or was highlighted at all. If rey has seen it and gone "woah! Cool compass, what is it?" And Luke said nothing, or we had an ominous shot of it, then it'd be something.

    It's just another case of "side canon content, not mentioned in main movies so not much resonance with major story".

    Reylo Galactic titanic smashes all smaller ships! Jk.
     
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    About that compass. Its is a film like story introduced in Battlefront II, which is now Canon, also mentioned in The legends of Luke Skywalker, and compass is officialy at Luke in the episode VIII.
    [​IMG]

    It is ancient Star compass that Luke found just after the battle of Endor in the Palpatine's secret observatory.

    It was almost destroyed,but Luke got him.... Luke is looking at it by the clear curiosity to try to test it, to see where one is leading.

    It is very likely this pointed him to constelation where Lew'el is.

    Why introduce this?

    Now of course casual public does not notice this jet and dont give importance to this details, but it is developed story already.

    Lew'el story for itself is no less than epic.

    and, we see a "wind truster" ,symbol of Lew'el, in Luke's revelation scene ...it is--preparation.
    Of course people don't understadnt it jet. Which is actually perfect we can speak freely without risk of spoiling and spreading the news.


    [​IMG]
     
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