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Intriguing new character named Aya

Discussion in 'Star Wars: The Last Jedi' started by McDiarmid, Nov 19, 2017.

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    Ah, I see what you are saying. I feel the compass was just a little Easter Egg for those who play the game. With the cloud is just a thin spot so light comes through. You have some imaginative speculations my friend. Reaching deep... keep reaching.
     
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    The compass was a very late addition, in fact. It was designed and made a week before the scene with it was shot. Its main role was to make a connection with events of Battlefront II campaign.

     
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    Yeaa, that where I say it. A last minute easter egg.
     
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    Compass is part of The Last Jedi film synopsis.

    May. 2017. report:
    https://makingstarwars.net/2017/05/the-gear-of-luke-skywalker-in-star-wars-the-last-jedi/

    The compass was mentioned in the novel Legends of Luke Skywalker which was written in 2016/17 .

    It was introduced later in the Battlefield II as a side-story(cinematic story), to explain his origin.


    To me its clear compass story is introduced for more important purpose.

    CANON:
    During the Clone Wars, while he was still Supreme Chancellor of the Galactic Republic, Sheev Palpatine felt the call of unknown space from beyond the galactic rim. He wanted to explore the Unknown Regions and galaxies that laid beyond his own. He built observatories, such as the one on Pillio, as part of that exploration and used this one to store several artifacts.
    In 4 ABY Emperor Palpatine was killed during the Battle of Endor.
    Shortly after the battle, Luke Skywalker traveled to Pillio.
    Luke felt called to Pillio by the Force.

    The doors of the vault in which he found Compass were made in such a way that they could be opened only by the use of the Force.
    Skywalker left the Observatory with only one artifact, this compass, for which he sensed was important.



    The Last Jedi visual dictionary.(Pablo Hidalgo)
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    Some milk, anyone?
    btw, to explain that to, he did gone slightly off with his nerves, he thought he lost everything,including love of his life, because if the ironic nature of the Tide..
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    Aya saved in the storm ( Luke's arrival at Lew'el) :

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    ..that lightning had killed her mount,and she was going to follow soon.

    ...and than, an impossible sight:

    a giant bird with white-glowing X-shaped wings....was swooping out od the storm for her.

    Is this how the Tide welcomes those new to it?

    With spiritual wind-trusters?

    She closed her eyes and lost consciousness..."


    (from Legends of Luke Skywalker)




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    I dont know if there is interest so we continue if someone wishes please , I would like some feedback from anyone.

    coming...next

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    *- Luke's compass can be seen in Ben Solo's hut, near Ben Solo in the scene of Luke thinking to kill him at night!
    Compass is seen briefly, opened on Ben's "night table" near his bed. Ben has obviously studied Luke's compass ,maybe even tried to steal it,or decipher the place to which this compass leads.

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    *-in the same scene, in the moment Kylo collapses the house on Luke by Force( final Luke's version of the event), a scream of a young woman can be heard in the background .
     
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    There are a lot of intriguing things you've shown, especially with Luke being on Jakku, the map/compass connection, and scream (which I initially missed), but unfortunately not much else.....yet.

    There was a scene in relation to the compass that was cut from TLJ, but I think it was just to explain how Luke may have found the 1st Jedi temple. If there were multiple things in the books translating to the movies beforehand, I would say there might be more to this, but they have been peppering tiny details about in canon without really doing much. This would be the first very big thing, and without precedent, it seems like a lot to assume. When I see more return on investment when it comes to the stories, I will be more confident in these types of connections.

    To me it just further demonstrates that the story group does not seem to be given the creative latitude previously thought, especially for the movies - they've prepared/received very small table scraps to play with thus far in that arena (a spear, a compass, etc). I think the compass is just another easter egg that will be a part of the Disney EU, and another adventure story for Luke and Ben to follow-up on within a book regarding the unknown regions, etc. Perhaps a source to something Ben desires in the way of power or knowledge that further explains his choices in the ST, and what Luke might have been doing besides suckling milk and being an uncle creeper. Same goes for Aya, likely another adventure story to tell in the Disney EU with a character that Luke had a profound impact on, or she intended to be his student.

    I haven't played Battlefront II...gasp..., but how am I to reconcile that scene a couple of posts above, with him being given the compass on Jakku in the Legends of Luke Skywalker? I assume Ulina was misinformed if I understand this right, which puts into question whether he was even on Jakku or the validity of the other stories, which the nature of the book has already done. Which one is the real truth?
    It would be interesting if the reformed Imperial on Jakku from the book was Lor San Tekka, and would further make sense as to why he could have had a connection to/location of Luke.

    Lastly, I listened to the audio of the scream in attempt to hear something more, but alas it was just a scream. Was it Leia, was it a student, was it Rey, or was it a high pitched dude? It was an unknown future/reality. I really think Rey being a Skywalker would help me digest this trilogy more easily, and honor George by telling the story of the grandchildren with the added bonus of Anakin's force duality manifesting in the grandchildren for the final Skywalker installment. Luke being a father wouldn't excuse it, but could provide perspective for Luke's character in TLJ if he felt his family was threatened or endangered. At this point, I would even accept if Rey was Aya's child, not necessarily by way of Luke, but a backstory highlighting his connection to her mother could at least be something touching, and fulfilling downstream. When I re-read the last passages of the book however, it really seems to solidify that Luke is the thing/idea bringing them together, just as he is at the end of TLJ vs Luke and Aya. Even Flux's tone is more non-chalant for one that would be looking for the father of her child in some scenes in the book. I would say your most optimistic bet is Rey is a descendant of Skywalker, beyond that it's tough. Maybe when the TLJ deleted scenes are reviewed and some other canon material comes out, there will be more supporting material. Until then or IX......


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    About that compass been in 2 places, Jakku, and Pillio:

    I am believer in the power of human intellect, and more than anything in professionalism and dedication.
    I know Mr Pablo Hidalgo is dedicated man who likes new stories but also a cohesion and logic.

    As a person that have read,literally, every available new canon material I am free to propose this:

    Palpatine had many observatories, and those observatories had copies of some important artifacts and other objects ( Aftermath ) as additional way of security.

    We know that few observatories had same exact copy of Palpatine's yacht" Imperialis".

    Therefore, I presume, there was a compass in more observatories, all of them looking the same, but probably only one ( on Pillio) was true important one .

    Luke hes felt compass on Pillio by the Force, emediately after the Endor, ( battlefield II), however, he later (almost a year after!) on Jakku got another copy of the compass, probably not functional, but maybe fully functional copy, from scavenger on Jakku to (scavanger found it in this observatory on Jakku).
    But since on case on Jakku was written Pillio, we can presume Pillio had true precious compass, and the one on Jakku(and probably other copies in other observatories) were a decoys.

    There is second option though , that is that Lorr San Tekka was that man on Jakku, and in this case LST got another copy of the compass.It will explain his ability to be able to know about Luke's whereabouts.



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    That compass for all we know, stayed in Luke's hut on Ahch-To.

    Rey will came back for it. If Luke has once felt the call of the Force and the significance of that compass ,why Rey would not also?

    Rey has felt call from the books in force tree already, and I posted argument that map coordinates in one of the books and that compass are linked, complementary. - Intriguing new character named Aya

    Ep IX could offer an epic journey of Rey, journey to her true origins.

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    One scene seemed a bit odd to me in TLJ is when Luke did repeat, "who are you" a couple times, then asked Rey who sent her when he sees how powerful in the force she is. This scene may foreshadow him wondering if Rey was sent by Aya to look for Luke. Then likely dismisses it, because Rey is adamant that she was sent by Leia and the Resistance. I think I need to go watch TLJ again after stumbling upon this thread.
     
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    Luke was clueless, shaken, disconnected from the Force, and is acting as an ordinary man. He is shaken to the bones.
    This Luke's "disconnection" is the key story element that enables surprise of Rey's true origin.

    .....................................

    They asked Rian Johnson about what is it this "thing" that Luke is seeing in the sun at the end, an obvious vision, apariton of some kind, revelation of highest importance can be seen in Luke's face, without a doubt.

    Rian is beating around the bush about that.

    However we know they made this scene (video below) until perfection.

    Every "pixel" in this scene is intentional, and there are some stunning details.



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    Jet another attempt to further explain how do I see it all.

    Recall scene of Luke watching the sun .

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    Than camera goes to Rey..Rey stops near Millenium, turns back and feels.... Luke...

    Than, In the film Leia lifts her head and stares in something( someone) in a state of "shock", feeling this same event.

    Here is production image...Lea looks at..Rey.

    Leia felt who Rey is in that moment , sharing feelings of revelation with Luke in that same moment at the end....a daughter of her brother!

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    Thats why Leia says..."We have all that we need."
     
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    The assumptions are strong with this thread, mhmm yes.
     
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    FLUX THEORY

    (FINDING THE SEEKER)

    Original Theory By @McDiarmid

    Remixed By @Son Of A Sith

    Taken From:

    Star Wars

    The Legends of Luke Skywalker

    Part III

    'Fishing in the Deluge'




    CANONIZED:

    The book ‘The Legends of Luke Skywalker’ tells of a very interesting Legend. This story is referred to originally as ‘Fishing In The Deluge’ and is also known as ‘The Seeker’ (Story of The Seeker). It is first told by a woman named ‘Flux’ who is traveling to Canto Bight as a stole-away in order to explore the galaxy.

    The story takes place after the Battle of Endor, and during one of Luke’s quests for knowledge on a distant and long forgotten world.

    Master Skywalker arrives on a mysterious oceanic planet similar to that of Ahch-To, known only as ‘Lew’el’ (Which roughly translates into ‘Deluge’ or ‘Flood’). This planet has become almost forgotten over the millennia by those who crave power, remaining in complete isolation.

    It is not yet known how Luke found information about this forgotten planet, or its location.

    Once arriving, Luke first meets a human girl named Aya-Glon, who he saves from certain death during a mighty storm that had already killed her fierce avian companion.

    Luke is then introduced to her people, which are the decedents of the original human settlers of this planet. These settlers have preserved precious knowledge about the Force, which they call the great Tide. This knowledge is ancient; it predates all empires and republics.

    Her people are very humble and do not use technology. They understand the Tide (Force) very deeply. They only teach their children about it once they have passed a test known as the Trials, proving that they will not use the Tide (Force) for their own self interests and gain.

    They are so deeply connected to the Whill of the Tide (Force) that they hunt fish by allowing the Tide (Force) to position the fish on the tip of their long spears, all while riding giant birds known as ‘Wind-Thrusters’.

    The leader of this ancient settlement is Aya’s grandmother, a wise elderly woman who is versed in the ways of the Tide (Force) on a level akin to that of a Jedi Master.

    Luke endures the ‘Trials of The Tide’ and is even accompanied by Aya for months during the third and final test, at the behest of her grandmother.

    After Skywalker has concluded his adventures on Lew’el, he bids farewell to Aya-Glon and she vows to one day explore the galaxy just like he has been doing.



    THEORIZED:

    Flux is most likely the character ‘Aya-Glon’ who is actually telling the legend from a first-hand perspective while aboard the Hutt cargo ship on its way to Canto Bight.

    Aya-Glon (Flux) is exploring the galaxy and seeking Luke Skywalker, allowing the Tide to guide her.

    She finds Luke Skywalker; they fall in love, and then start a training temple.

    Eventually they have a daughter together and begin to train her, along with a handful of other students… including Luke’s nephew, Benjamin Solo.

    After the training temple is destroyed, their daughter is hidden away on a desert planet for protection.



    REVEALED:

    The desert planet is Jakku.

    Aya-Glon (Flux) is Rey’s mother, and Luke’s love interest.

    Rey is Luke’s daughter (Related by blood).



    CONCLUSION:

    I personally love everything about this theory very dearly; except for one thing…

    It murders my dreams of #REYLO, which does NOT work for me… at all!

    So how do I keep my pie while eating it all up at the same time?

    Simple…

    The Tide (Force) impregnates Aya-Glon and Rey is Luke’s adopted daughter, not related by blood.

    Now Rey and Ren can have babies! (Safely!) #BALANCE

    That would totally make Rey the new (Female) Chosen One (Anakin), conceived by the Force (Tide).

    This basically reverses the roles of Anakin and Padme, which I find both poetic and romantic!

    It would also make Aya-Glon (Flux) the equivalent of Shmi Skywalker, and Luke would have played a role similar to that of Qui-Gon Jinn.

    Rey doesn’t need to be a Skywalker by blood… because she would be a ‘Skywalker’ in archetype. (Along with being a 'Solo' by marriage!)

    #BESTOFBOTHWORLDS


    “Ride the Tide”

    -SOAS


    DISCLAIMER: My ‘Remix’ is intended as a supplement to the original post. It was written in order to give people a quick overview of what I find to be a very intriguing theory. I would also like to mention that ‘Fishing in the Deluge’ is one of my top favorite Star Wars stories of all time, hence my signature quote at the end of every post. This obviously makes me extremely biased, without question. Duh. Lastly, yes… I am well aware of all the issues that fans have with this particular theory. Feel free to address them with me personally! That being said, I hope someone finds this contribution helpful!


     
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    Thank you.

    Original and interesting modification of Aya-Rey connection.

    This of course would make ep IX stunning , Parsecs above sterile and sad story of Rey born by two drunkards, while satissfying fans as well as general public as well as honoring all curiculum of Star Wars in perfect way. I can only imagine the beauty of J.J. Abrams showing us Lew'el, wind trusters, and most importantly, revealing Rey's honorable mother.

    To that end, by reading the book it is clear Aya (as a child) is that same grown woman that travels to the galaxy, and tells the story from first hand, and asks to be called Flux.

    In the book, at the start of story, Aya dives to catch the fish, and communicates with the Force with the words: "I am the Flux"

    Flux means one that is flow, synchronized with the circles of flow and ebb of the Tide(Force), means perfectly attuned one.

    Aya-Glon(Flux) is so powerfull character, from the novel she is clearly a character picked by the will of the Force to have important role in the balance of the Force.

    Aya's child would be something special, and something that would push the sequel trilogy into entirely new dimension, and it would not be a poor dimension , but a glorious one.
     
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    From TLJ novelisation:

    one sacred Jedi text's name is Aionimica

    Aio
    _nimica

    Aya

    Probably, Aya got a traditional name that means something in eons old Lew'elian tradition.

    Probably there was some ancient Aya ,ancient master who wrote one of the ancient texts, compiled in the book Aionimica, or it is actually an ancient epic about Aya,( like an epic of Gilgamesh.)

    is this not greatness? come one say it with me...

    Rejoice,there is chance sequel trilogy is far greater and deeper than anyone thought.



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    If Aya is that connected to the force, hypothetically she could have met Luke and had a child with him, felt the force tell her to leave with the child and obeyed.... the fact that Ahch-to Luke is still following the fishing practices he learned during his short stay on Lew'el could be a hint that it was more significant to him than a brief stopover during his force learning quest.
     
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    From the novel The Last Jedi we just learned that Rey is ultimate tool of the will of the Cosmic Force.(that exact words).

    In the Legends of Luke Skywalker girl Aya (who btw owes her life to Luke who saved her from certain death, which means strong bond for entire life) behaves as a tool, faithful servant of the same Force, she is a servant of it, literally, she says so, she listens the will of the Force, follows its lead as a tool that could help restore balance...those words about Aya are in the book.

    And that will of the Force (Tide)drives Aya years later to go to galaxy and search for..Luke.

    In the flashback scene in the film, scene of Luke visiting Ben at night (3rd last and true version) in the moment Ben and Luke cross their swords and Ben pulls the house on Luke, a scream of a young woman can be heard in the background symbolising calamity that followed.

    I listened this scream few times, it does not sound to me as Leia's scream (I presumed it could be detail that could symbolise Leia's "noooo" to this defining moment of her son turning to dark side), but to me its clearly a scream of some unknown young woman.

    I presume, this young woman died in what followed that scene.(slaughter in Jedi camp),

    .... or ......

    maybe somewhere else..maybe Aya and Luke were briefly togehter and Aya departured when he started to train the Jedi

    Training a Jedi would be against Lew'el teachings !


    ..newertheless Aya, who in the meantime got child was later tracked by Kylo and killed in that scene of Kylo and KOR slaughter a "clan"?..

    however ..there ...child Rey was spared by Kylo.

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    Interesting,Luke says he sough that " Ben would destroy everything I loved"..so if this is true, Luke had a chance to kill the future murderer of everything including his love, jet he eventually stopped to spare him,but it was to late..and the destiny unfolded.

    All those fine details are put in the films for future reference.(in my eyes,and in my honest hope )
     
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    Now let me try to reconstruct main plot , the very reason why I started this thread, to all who are interested.

    Please note this is just a final result of my theory, result of my intellect,that started with reading a single story about Aya, and evolved in a grand picture of critical events, by thinking backed by passionate research.

    I can be wrong, of course.

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    Do you know , that the scene in which Luke kills Knights of Ren was actually very likely filmed?

    Multiple withnesses and sources confirmed it. Filming of a scene in which Luke fights 6 oponents, and chase over the cliffs of an island...many can recall this rumor I think.

    In fact ,many were so secure this scene was filmed that it was expected this scene to be in ep VIII, people expected there will be a scene of Kylo and KOR land on Ahch-To and fight Luke and Rey....but it never happened.

    Because KOR are not anywhere anymore.

    They are all - long dead.

    And this scene filming was for the other purpose- which I am explaining below.
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    SEQUEL TRILOGY CENTRAL STORY ARC RECONSTRUCTION

    That night, Luke has visited Ben.

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    "The picture worths a thousand words."

    On the night table near Ben's bed, there was a confirmation of Ben's real agenda.

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    Ben has taken Luke's compass, and has studdied it in details.

    On this table near Ben, you can see Compass opened.
    You can see pencils for taking notes.
    And Light saber that Ben activated moment after.

    Ben was studying Luke's Compass, since one leads to the mysterios place Luke didnt told him about,jet Ben (who was already Snoke's ), who crawed power, suspected the power and something important for Luke is in that place.

    Kylo crushed the house on Luke, in that moment, .

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    SCREAM of a young woman can be heard in the background in the FILM in this exact moment!

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    Kylo has killed half of Lukes students, and has taken other half, for whom we now know became Knights of Ren.

    Luke survived, and now he knew that Ben has studdied Compass

    Kylo has taken Compass, he had it and studdied it.

    The race against time started.

    Where did Kylo and newly established KOR headed?

    There - where compass is pointing at.
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    Old twitt by our Pablo about Rey's vision in which Kylo and KOR make slaughter:

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    A VILLAGE

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    Unfortunately, from the story of Lewell, we know Luke has visited a village years ago, there is a village, a tribe devoted to the Tide, one secret location on a distant planet Lew'el.

    Kylo and his newly established Knights of Ren headed to slaughter a village.

    There was Aya, and her child to.

    Final chapter happened,

    Slaughter of the sacred village on Lew'el.

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    Kylo and KOR slaughtered village, inclusing Aya.

    Somehow, a child Rey survived......maybe Kylo spared her for some reason...

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    Here a scene of Luke and KOR takes its place, and is probably filmed for ep IX. use as restrospective-bakcflash.

    Luke has tracked Kylo and KOR, but he came to late.

    as reported from scene filming, in his rage Luke has single-handedly killed all the Knights of Ren, his former pupils who turned against him.

    Kylo has escaped.

    Traumatised child was taken probably by some refuge from the village, dirrecting her path and destiny towards Jakku .

    Luke was sure everyone died.

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    Kylo returned to his Snoke.


    Everything Luke had and loved,believed , was destroyed.

    Luke diconnected from the Force, and has gone into sorrow,isolation, bordering with madness.

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