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SPECULATION Is Luke Rey's Father? - The Evidence For and Against

Discussion in 'Star Wars: The Last Jedi' started by master_shaitan, Feb 17, 2016.

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Is Rey the daughter of Luke Skywalker

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  1. Boushhdisguise

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    Only thing that bugs me about a presumed dead child, and her being "Rey Solo" is that Leia would know if she was dead. It's like her thing. She would know.
     
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    Considering how we see her react when Han dies in TFA, I'd say you're onto something there.
     
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    She knows Luke is alive. She bonds with her son in Aftermath Life Debt. Even if she had a kid, and they took it and said it died at birth, she would know. I just know she would.
     
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    I'm sure someone has done this, but like, I just noticed today:

    luke skyYwalkER - FLIP IT: REY
    jYn ERso - FLIP IT: REY

    The placement is perfect (Y then ER).

    I'm just saying.

    I'M JUST SAYING.
     
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    Take Rey Skywalker/Solo
    Flip it around: Skywalker/Solo Rey
    Compressed Skywalker/Solo => Kylo
    Change y to n (positive/yes to negative/no) in Rey => Ren
    So (main hero) Rey Skywalker/Solo <==> Kylo Ren (main villain)
     
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    Here's something to consider, I hadn't really thought much about it for quite some time really. In the novelization of TFA when Rey grabs the lightsaber, Kylo Ren thinks to himself "It is you!". The reason I was reminded of this is because I was playing Lego Star Wars: The Force Awakens yesterday and when I got to that point in the game, after Rey grabs the lightsaber, Kylo actually says that line out loud(voiced by Adam Driver no less).

    Based on this we know that regardless of her lineage, Rey is indeed an important person and not just a nobody. We also know that Kylo was already nursing suspicions about just who she might be.

    This detail, while important definitely doesn't settle any debates about who Rey's parents are. The reason I bring this up is to pose a question to those denying that Rey is related to any of the characters of the OT.

    Why do you think Rey is important to Kylo and who or what do you think he thinks she is?

    I don't submit this question in a spirit of antagonism, I'm just genuinely interested in hearing people's opinions and answers on this. Who knows, if your argument is strong enough you may convince me and others. Fire away folks!
     
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    "It is you" = the awakening.

    Abrams stated that Kylo was the awakening for the Dark Side. Rey is that awakening for the light.
    When Kylo finally witnesses Rey use the Force (not just naturally block him or use her innate abilities) he realises that she is the awakening that both he and Snoke felt.

    It makes no sense whatsoever for Kylo to have ever known Rey or for Rey to be someone he could've known of existing before he met her in TFA. If that were the case then he'd recognise her through the Force immediately and would certainly have discovered her identity when he probed her mind. And if she were Leia's kid (Kylo's sister) then it's absurd that Han and Leia wouldn't have spoken of her or been searching for her (Leia senses when Han dies, why not her own child?).

    So we're back to Rey being a random or the daughter of Luke. And if she is the latter then the same rules apply - Luke can't ever have known of her existence because of he had any kind of knowledge of her, let alone a bond, he would've known she was alive and searched the galaxy for her.

    It strikes me that from the get go, Luke was set out to be the new mentor figure. The Kenobi of the new trilogy that the new hero, Rey, learns from.
    People discuss the Maz Kanata scene and lot and suggest it means she is or isn't Luke's. It doesn't go that far but it does tell us one thing for certain:
    The lightsaber could call to a non-Skywalker. You don't have to be a relative of Anakin for the Force to speak to you through that saber. Remember, Maz, who clearly didn't think or know that Luke was Rey's father, still tells Rey that the saber called to her. If Maz thought that the saber would only call to a Skywalker then she would've realised there and then that Rey was Luke's daughter.

    For me it all points to Rey being a "nobody" who finds herself in the middle of this galactic story and thus awakens the light side of the Force - which then guides her to Luke.
     
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    Sounds somewhat plausible, however there is still the scene where Kylo throws his tantrum and then suddenly gets more angry and interested at the mention of a girl. Could it be that Kylo knows of the importance of Jakku to the Dark Side and knows of the importance of a girl in particular on that planet? We now know of extra importance being assigned to Jakku thanks to the Aftermath book series. Is it possible that there could be a prophecy that the Dark Siders are aware of regarding Jakku and a powerful female Force User(hopefully not in some stupid story development about the Chosen One being reincarnated)? Interesting stuff no matter how you cut it, lineage or no.
     
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    http://www.starwars.com/databank/han-solo

    It's already been shown in the new canon that Han Solo lost the Falcon before Ben betrayed Luke. Rey said it's been on Jakku for longer than she can remember (Rey's Survival Guide).
     
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    Who knows? That could indeed be plausible. But I don't think Kylo knows anything about Rey until he gets her to the SK base. That tantrum for me was about his lack of control. He was throwing his toys out of the pram. The question about the girl simply angering him further because he had no insight into the situation. And again, had he known anything at all about her, then it would be strange for him later on to honestly think her to just be a scavenger and try and find out who she is and what's in her head on SK. He'd surely also have said more to Snoke about it?

    The other thing worth considering is that the FO don't seem to have any interest in Jakku before they learn that the map to Luke is there. Whatever existed on that planet before is either unknown to Snoke and co or is simply irrelevant now. It might be that they believe whatever was once there is lost or has been removed. We'll see.

    But I just don't buy the idea that Kylo knew who Rey was or recognised her in some way. It contradicts what happens on screen.
     
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    my impression of what piques him particularly about the "girl" is that there's a possibility he's seen her before in a Force vision of his own and he's starting to connect the dots, but as @master_shaitan said, he doesn't entirely put it all together until she takes the saber. pure speculation, of course, but i think the book more than anything "misleads" us to think he knows her somehow because he's constantly poking at the puzzle until the "it is you" line.

    but i agree with Hidalgo on this one (amazingly): he's referring to the "awakening" (and possibly now fully understanding that his destiny with Rey is intertwined).
    once he makes this connection, his attitude changes. he stops throwing her at trees and starts testing her mettle.
     
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    I think that Rey and Kylo's destinies have become entwined (and likely shared similar visions when they touched the saber). I don't think the Force works in a way that pre-destines how people's lives will pan out. Rather I think that some people are born with certain abilities (some far more gifted than others) and that if they allow themselves to be, they can discover the will of the Force and their part in it. I believe that Ben Solo's destiny was distorted (like his grandfathers) by the Dark Side and that this is why he will forever be plagued by self-doubt. It kind of connects to that cut scene of him in the falcon - deep down realising perhaps what he could've and should've become. I think he likely once had a vision that he misinterpreted or why re-interpreted for him by Snoke. And due to being consumed by the Dark Side he continues on a pathway of evil, ignoring the light and rejecting the will of the Force.

    Now for Rey, she wasn't chosen to be some hero of the galaxy. But she was clearly born with (or later acquired somehow) great power in the Force. When she decided to help Finn she began to use that innate power (flying the Falcon) and this "awoke the Force" - the will of the Force then began to speak to her and it showed itself through the saber. Only after she opened herself up to the Force did it show her the right path - the path to Luke, where she could become a Jedi and fulfil the will of the Force. I don't think this then has anything to do with her parents or indeed in Luke being her parent. It's about a nobody having the power to achieve great things - something that JJ wanted to reinsert into the saga.

    Anyway, back to Kylo Ren - this is what he see's in Rey. This is the awakening of the Light Side. And I think that Kylo will come to realise that the path he has chosen isn't the one to great power but to self destruction. He'll see this through Rey's journey - and the lesson will be that it doesn't matter where you come from but rather the choices you make. Rey was a nobody, a scavenger born of insignificant parents yet she will save the galaxy. Ben Solo was born with Skywalker blood, of parents who were hero's of the rebellion - yet he will never find the power he craves.

    In the Visual Dictionary I think it remarks on how Ren sees himself as being above everyone else in the galaxy because of his heritage - having Skywalker blood. It's why he sees his father as weak. It might be why he avoids talking about Leia. And at first he has little respect for Rey but when he realises her power he wants her as an ally (as any cosplay Sith would!). But this must be the crux of his turn back to the light. The realisation that Vader wasn't all that but that Anakin had the true power. This again reflects how Rey perhaps not only isn't but shouldn't be Luke's daughter. For her mission isn't just to defeat Snoke but it is surely to redeem Ben Solo. And to do that she has to show him how true power comes from making the right choices rather than the easy ones.
     
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    Interesting stuff, I'm definitely not completely down with Ben Solo being redeemed though. I think it would be more interesting to see him get more and more evil without a redemption. JJ did say that the Force Awakens in the film, the Light Side through Rey and the Dark Side through Kylo. Basically, we saw the the moment Kylo truly chose his path when he murdered his Father. That was the moment he fully rejected the Light and fully embraced the Dark Side(made all the more obvious by the visual symbolism of the light literally dying as the Starkiller fully swallowed the sun in that scene).

    Rey will no doubt save the galaxy, but I don't believe that necessarily means that she will redeem Ben Solo.

    How so?

    I do like the idea of he and Rey sharing visions. It could certainly be that that's the case and would make for an interesting twist.
     
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    whether they are related or not, i'm rooting for a serious Force bond between the two. it would deliciously complicate their interactions and a be a nifty way to dispense a lot of exposition and development quite efficiently. the fact that the two share an emotional state of abandonment and isolation also means they might share an empathic connection as well.
    while i think it would make an interesting story overall, i still fight it because of the implications for our OT heroes. and even though Ren is trying his darndest to embrace the Dark, he doesn't strike me as out of the Light yet. even though Starkiller swallowed the sun, it burped it back out again when it was destroyed. in Han's death, Light was literally reborn. i think that will come back to Ren Ben in the end.
     
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    lol @ Rey sympathizing with Kylo's feelings of "abandonment". He had everything she ever wanted and voluntarily threw it all away.

    Maybe he should spend 15 years in the desert and then they can have a talk.
     
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    yes, he's privileged. that doesn't change his feelings, which however much they are absurd to us, are very real to him.
    i like the contrast of that, frankly. she can give him perspective because of it.
     
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    I highly doubt that was intentional symbolism there, especially considering that the only light the Starkiller spits out is a star system destroying laser of death ;). Also, it seems odd to set up the imagery of the Light dying only to immediately undermine it, which I don't think they did.
     
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    i don't know how it can't be deliberate. it literally turned into a sun; recreating that which it had originally destroyed.
    there's no reason for it to have done that except to make a point. otherwise it could have just blown up like another Death Star.
     
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    Being Luke's daughter would make her very powerful and more interesting to Snoke. Other than being Palpatines grand daughter or rebirth of the "Chosen One" the story would become stale.

    Rey pretty much needs to be related to Anakin as Kylo's future is grim even if he goes into the light. Personally, I think Leia will bring him to an end, probably in the act of saving Luke.
     
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    * fixed. :D
     
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