SPECULATION Is Luke Rey's Father? - The Evidence For and Against

Yes, but also and/or, it could be interpreted as a metaphor and foreshadowing that Luke himself could turn to the dark side...
http://www.starwars.com/news/studying-skywalkers-figuratively-exploring-the-dagobah-cave

 

There's an elegant answer to the "sweetheart" question: Ben/Kylo
Think about it, you probably use some words your parents used often too, Han used sweetheart and he probably said it lots times to little Benny

 

This is funny. Sorry if someone else already posted it.

 

I did

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Well, not enough because sweetheart killed good dad in cold blood.

 

What do you mean with not enough? LOL, I get it

 

Since the year 2012, I look at Star Wars' future possibilities in terms of what's marketable first and what's original second. (Back when Lucas owned Star Wars, he could do any original thing he pleased. Not so much now when Disney is in charge.) Using this reasoning, I think it would make sense on a marketing standpoint if there was a new Skywalker, the same way we still have tie fighters and X wings. Once Luke dies/leaves/fades/whatever it will seem strange to not have another Skywalker to root for in this series. True, many say Kylo is that Skywalker as he has Leia's blood within him, but I think from a marketing standpoint Rey seems like the best bet. Now, I do not believe Luke necessarily had to have gotten married. The Force could have created Rey without Luke's knows-abouts, and with Rey sharing all the attributes of a Skywalker (if that even makes sense to you guys.) Many here have scoffed at the Anakin reincarnation theory, but I for one think it's a distinct possibility, especially since we've heard Yoda, Obi Wan, have seen references to Vader...... But not Anakin Skywalker, the most important character in Episodes 1-6?

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The most frustrating thing about the entire TFA experience was the second trailer where Luke says "My father has it...... You have that power too." I remember seeing this trailer for the first time and thinking: "ohhh, this is going to be so good!" And then.... It wasn't even in the movie.

 

Actually, Rey and Luke never met so it's hard to consider Luke is talking to Rey while all those lines are from Rotj.

 

You took offense to one sentence, without addressing the context of the argument.

(you also assume unanimous agreement with your opinions)

"She literally says in her dream that she is having children.

She says Luke is lost among the starts looking for something, and she means Luke. Not somebody else.
She says Han dies on a snow planet, and she means Han. Not somebody else.
She says Chewie is in a cage, and she means Chewie. Not somebody else.

Then the bit about her having a child. No wait, 2 children! And dying.

After that, she says Obi-wan deactivating the tractor beam, and the OT trio running around on the Death Star. She doesn't say any of them are supposed to be somebody else.

In context of the dream, and in the literary function of the paragraph - it's very out of place for that portion to actually mean Padme. And it's never stated it is.

It's stated it's her. Having a child. Realizing she actually has two kids. And then dying. That's exactly what's stated..."

In the portion of Life Debt that she has this dream, all the other characters she sees are literally themselves, not somebody else.

Do you agree or disagree?

In the portion of Life Debt that she has this dream, all the other characters she sees actually do or did, some version of what she sees. (Luke searches the stars, Han dies on a snow planet, Chewie is a prisoner, she has a child, Obi-wan deactivated the tractor beam)

Do you agree or disagree?

If you agree, (but you probably won't because you're rather stubborn) then it makes no sense at all, both in context of the dream or as a literary device, for the one part of her dream that is a controversy currently (she had more than 1 child) to be about somebody else.

Why wouldn't she just say she saw Padme? Or say that it was her in the vision but then it morphed to Padme? Why wouldn't the writers explicitly say that, when they describe the other characters in the dream exactly as themselves...and interestingly in the case of Han and Luke, as pretty close to how we see them in TFA?

It could mean nothing at all, and certainly doesn't prove a thing at this point...

But I find it intellectually dishonest to say "well, that part of the dream is her seeing Padme" when that's not what's said. What's said is she sees herself.

And no other part of the dream, or characters in it, are supposed to represent other people.

If you take it literally, as you read the passage through (her part is in the middle of the other characters, remember) then it simply means she had a dream of having 2 children and dying.

Which she may have and may yet do...(or not)

That is all.

 

In Leia's dream she sees that they never escape the death star, since Obi-Wan failed, so don't take thiese force dreams as a 1:1 happening in reality. Also it says she is dying after the birth, but she is alive in TFA, so...these visions/dreams are tricky.

 

Right, absolutely!

In some of the cases, the exact opposite happens...or something different happens.

I get that it was a murky dream and a dark one, at that.

But in any event, the people in the dreams are not representing other people. They are themselves, the same characters she sees, doing the same things those characters did. (although again, some had the opposite outcome)

And her character (that was her, not Padme) had 2 kids. In that dream. Which could mean nothing.

But it is a fun discussion point.

 

Welcome to the thread. Let's straighten some things out. The Lucasfilm story group is independent of Disney. Disney isn't making story choices. Rey is an idea from George Lucas.

Of course it's not in the movie. It's a line from Return of the Jedi.

I don't have anything to add to this that hasn't been mentioned already. You're responses are growing more and more emotional and personal in nature. I simply disagree with your opinion.

 

BTW, the authors of the novels said they don't know about Rey so it's hard to think that he would write anything on his own.

 

It fixes the plothole that Leia remembered her while being about 10 seconds old.

 

If I were 20 something I would marry her lol. That is great.

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Only the force could preserve a memory of ones birth. hmm

 

This is not correct. Chuck Wendig, the author of the Aftermath novels, has said in an interview that he knew about what's in the plan for ST, and he has been told by Lucasfilm Story Group of things that he cannot write about in his novels.
- http://www.blastr.com/2016-7-12/chuck-wendig-keeping-han-solo-alive-star-wars-aftermath-life-debt

I think you got Chuck Wendig confused with the guy who came up with the idea of Rogue One (who didn't know about Rey when he developed the character of Jyn Erso).

 

In the movies, the dreams/visions seemed to function as warnings or foreshadows of the future. So in the PT, Anakin's dreams literally foretold the fates of his mother and wife. In ESB, Luke's vision served as a warning that he could succumbed to the dark side. In TFA, regardless of whether Rey was related to Luke or not, it made sense to think that Rey's vision served to foreshadow her future destiny entwined with the destinies of Luke and Kylo Ren.

As for Leia's dream in Aftermath, the parts concerning Luke, Han, and Chewie most likely foreshadow what would happen to them in the future. I think the part about failing to escape the Death Star symbolically said that she could not, in a sense, escape Darth Vader and the Empire. Darth Vader would affect her directly in Bloodlines via the revelation of their father-daughter relationship, and indirectly via Ben's obsession with Vader. The Empire would symbolically came back in the form of the First Order.

So how to interpret the part of Leia dying in child birth, given that she didn't actually die in child birth? If the dream served as a warning about Leia's future rather than about her past, then the possible interpretations are that she is going to be separated from her children somehow, or that her children would somehow cause her death.

 

so what about the part of Luke in her dream/vision? She said Luke was searching something, never returning and failing. Does this foreshadow that Luke fails in the end and never found what he was searching or wanted to achieve?

Regarding children, you have to keep in mind that the authors are not informed about Rey's parentage, so giving such a critical detail away in a novel prior to the movie reveal is never gonna happen.

 

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