SPECULATION Is Luke Rey's Father? - The Evidence For and Against

If Ray is actually Leia and Han daughter, what happens to Chewwie's life debt, does it go to his daughter Rey? =]

 

Few things,
1- It's absolutely true Pablo confirmed Rey has not memory problem. So this 100% confirmed.
But a little bit of room for speculation remains becouse it's not so clear (in Pablo's quotes)
if she was just to young to remember exactly who left her and/or who her parents are, or if she does.

2- I agree that whoever left her, didn't do it to hide/protect her. You don't leave your child with Unkar... come on.
I think she was left behind while the people she was with, were somehow forced to leave, even if she arrived there
with someone who previously kidnapped her (meaning tha: if she was stolen from a family, the person who did it, later
on arrived with her on Jakku and was somehow forced leave the planet, without her)

3- Given what we see in the vision (the ship being almost eaten by darkess) and how the script describes that particular scene,
I guess the people/person she was with, disappeared in the U.R.. That can connect the idea of her not being born on Jakku (=she arrived there)
and Pablo's statement: her being on Jakku has to do with where the planet is.

4- I'd like to share with you a random idea I've got about Anakin/Luke lightsaber and how it may have something to do with Rey's abandoment.
I've wrote something a while ago on reddit, you may see it in the picture below.

 

What if it was Vader himself who gets his saber on Bespin ?

 

You mean... between ESB and ROTJ of course.

 

Yes or send a henchman to do that. He was in good position to see it fall.

 

Why not?

 

That's one of my problem too. There are few ways to overcome it:
1- She's been kidnapped almost at birth and left on jakku later on (4, 5 years later). But if that's the case she would probably think those people/person are/is her "family" and more over, it's too much complicated.
2- The writers haven't estabished a specific age and/or they don't pay too much attention on this detail (how old she should have to be to not remeber). I agree it sounds unlikely but - IMO - what Pablo said leaves both those doors open: "Nothing beyond not recalling when she was really young. Anakin doesn’t remember where’s he’s from.” (August 9, 2016).

Script: "The ship flies towards the desert sun, which is strangely eclipsed, as if being eaten by darkness." To me, this darkness placed here has to do with the U.R.. It could be only oblivion. Forshadowing the Starkiller? Possible, but the first one - to me - is more strong.
Pablo "“[Is it just a coincidence that Lor San Tekka and Rey are both on Jakku or is there more to that?] More to do with where Jakku is. The lead up to the battle of Jakku narrative should offer more insight.” (December 28, 2015)"

Yes, you're right. As told it was very random and I put it here mainly becouse of Sarko, which is what I find more interesting: if you remeber he was also in the merchandising... (why?)
Back to the Chekko clan, I guess it can be still involved only if the Clan Leader is not a Clan Leader but one of the KOF betrayed and killed by Kylo as someone is suggesting. However, I don't think that's the case.

I think they've planned (and filmed all) that scene having an idea that probably changed To be more specific: I don't think they cut something to hide some ditails, I think they cut something becouse the idea changed (it could be one of the things Rian wanted to be changed). In other words I guess Kylo - never had that lightsaber in his hands (whatever the lightsaber is) so the frame was cut from the movie.

About the CLAN LEADER
“[The guy stabbed by Kylo Ren was from] some other group [not Luke’s Jedi students]. Production name was ‘clan leader'”. (December 20, 2016) “Now that the script’s out – It’s somewhere else, [not the new Jedi Order]. Production identified that warrior as ‘clan leader’.” (January 1, 2016) “On paper, he was one of the dead warriors that litter the ground. The leader of this group the Knights wiped out.” (April 1, 2016) “[Clan Leader, but in the credits he’s a Knight of Ren? Kylo killed his own man?] Or, the credits aren’t right. (Side-eyes Korr Sella’s misspelled name…)” (April 4, 2016) “[So is that a denial? The character who attacks Rey is NOT a Knight of Ren? U guys are so shifty? ] By the script, I don’t see him as a Knight. And I don’t see him attacking her as she’s not really ‘there’. But that’s just me.” (April 4, 2016)

•“[Could you say anything about why this lightsaber hilt in Kylo’s hand was cut from the movie? Can we assume it has no significance if it didn’t make the final cut of The Force Awakens?] Let’s just say the idea behind this scene evolved as it went through production.” (July 27, 2016

 

I think a simple story beat that creates desperation and a scarcity of time for whoever dropped her off could easily provide the necessary context for such conundrums.

If she was left by loved ones, they could have assumed that she would have more options alive with Unkar than risking death or worse with them. Greed can be a powerful ally so putting her protection in the hands of a greedy undesirable like Unkar might be a wise choice - with the right leverage of course - suitable payment upfront and an agreement to pay more later.

If she was left by kidnappers who attributed some value to her, and who I assume she had come to see as her family, Unkar could be seen as a safe bet to keep her underground and away from prying eyes. Societies scoundrels often show strong solidarity amongst themselves and adhere to a strict codes of honour/respect (see prison).

 

I think we can find a middle ground: whomever left her (parents/ foster parents /kidnappers that of course value her) were "forced" to leave Jakku (probably to the U.R.)
But whatever the reason may be for them (he) to be forced to leave, that does not have nothing to do with Rey.
I mean, for example, if they vere lured becouse of something they had (the lightsaber maybe?) , then whomever lured them wasn't interested in Rey.
Or another exemplum, if there was a bounty on them then whomever forced those parents/foster parents/kidnappers wasn't interested in Rey.
In both cases, her parents/foster parents/kidnappers - forced to leave - may have thought she was safer there...

 

Yeah probably not...unless they went the "stolen from an Imperial research facility by sympathetic workers and lived a life on the move struggling to stay one step ahead of pursuers" route. (Classified. Really? Me too. Big secret.)

 

How difficult is it to travel to where the First Order fled to in the unknown regions of space? Is it possible Rey's parents/caretakers traveled to where ever Snoke is from and can't get back? To me the real twist would involve Rey's family dying because of Kylo Ren and the Knights of Ren or because Luke had to put them down.

Could be a situation of Rey's Dad left when she was born to join the Knights of Ren and left the mother behind. Years later the mother risked everything to bring the husband back and left Rey behind.

Or if Snoke is some kind of master manipulator and perhaps Rey's parents are hiding in plain sight inside the New Republic as spies for Snoke. Essentially when you get past the whole Skywalker angle of this debate (which dominates the entire thread) there's a lot of room for twists and turns.

If they wait until TLJ or IX to tell us she's a Solo/Skywalker that's not exactly original.

Before any Sky/Solo cultists respond, I know your angle here and I agree the story can still be great.

 

I wasn't talking of Rey Solo, specifically kidnappers are another chance to think about if she is Luke's daughter too.
And if she is Luke's daughter it's also possible that:
1- he left her with some people he trusted (foster parents). Good people, not Unkar.
But
2- She was kidnapped while staying with them (thus: she had never met Luke at such an age she could remeber him).

Again, those are only "open" chances that I list: let's debate how much likely they are (in my opinion not so much).
However I still list these chances, just in case someone else - thinking about them- can come to a better and convincing idea.

About your other questions
- I don't think Luke was searching for Rey.

Given the few things we know for sure, he was travelling almost from day one after Endor. But why?
To retrieve old Jedi lore... yes. But why from day 1 and why so much?
Not to mention that rebuilding the Order and travelling so much, may be 2 things hard to pursued simultaneously. Yet it seems he tried to do so.
Did he have a further (big) reason? I guess so. But since he's been doing so from soon after Endor I don't think it is becouse of Rey,
but becouse he lernt something we still don't know about for sure: Snoke or whatever the dark force in the UR is (that's my favourite option) but it could be something else.
I think is possible he learn that thing from the same person that told him about the force tree in Vetine (becouse how did he know about it, in the first place?)
Perhaps that person (if he/she existes) was also gifted of one of trees too. In the books (before givine the second to Shara) Luke says he thought there was just one tree and that "one of them is spoken for". Who's spoken for? Him or someone else?

- Or it is possible he learnt about Rey: meaning he learnt that a child particulry important was supposed to born but not exactly when, where and by whom.
And since the writers told us that the force trees were something they came up to, to create something defferent from the holocrons... he could have learn about this child from the tree.

- If so Kylo may be awere of this special "child". nevertheless - to tell you the truth - I still believe "It is you" is what Pablo said it i: It's Kylo undrestanding the awakening has ben caused by her.

- About the bodies, I'm sure they're not the Jedi of Luke's temple (Pablo said that too) but a clan.
Of thieves? Possible. But I guess it's more likely they are people devoted to the Force (COTF or alike).

- Lor on Jakku: we don't know when Leia last saw him. Given BTA and Poe's comics I'd say he's been out of her sight from a while but not from so much time as the time Rey's spent on Jakku. I'd say he arrived there in the last 10/6 years or even less.
But why there? Well... why was Luke travelling around the galaxy from day 1 after Endor? What does he know? Ho tell him that?Who helped him? I guess the answers may be the same. I'm not 100% sure if Rey is the answer or half of the answer or the Force's Will helping them..

 

Some pages back, I've speculeted something like this (and I still think is a good idea).
Becouse of a reference in Rey's survival guide.
She speks about some families she sees on Jakku and she says how it is strange for them to stop in such a place.
The idea was perhaps there was a kind of F.O. "almost secret" campaign to convince people to move in the UR.
The reason being to rally ex emperials or lure people to take their child (given the "Empire needs children" quote)