Jumanji tops The Last Jedi over holiday weekend.

yep. we're complaining to complain. Thats all. You can all sleep knowing that your opinion is held by the masses and nobody disagrees with you.

 

I can only speak for myself but there is no buzz about this movie at work as I have a good cross section of fans (casual and diehards). Nobody has raved about as it’s been mix ranging from ‘I liked it’ to ‘it was Ok’ to ‘I hate it’ and nobody has gone back, while many casual fans have told me they’ll wait til it comes to Netflix or Cable.

That was not the case for a TFA as we were talking about that in Work for weeks and people were seeing it multiple times. The drop in Box office makes total sense compared to what is happening with the people I work with.

 

Considering Christmas Eve falls on the weekend, that's a pretty good drop.

 

It is not struggling to do R1 numbers.
The drop percentages are. . . relational to. . . what they are a percentage of. . .

 

You know what I mean as I’m not talking about cumulative gross. Right now (in the 2nd weekend ) it is doing essentially what R1 did and please don’t tell me Disney was expecting that having Luke Skywalker as the headline. TLJ should be doing more repeat business then R1 on that alone in the 2nd weekend.

 

Well I know now
As to what Disney was expecting I've said elsewhere that they are happy with anything around 60% and would have been over the moon with anything lower than %50.
I can only speculate as to how much of the controversy was predicted by LF and Disney.
I would be amazed though if they expected the film to be an all around cozy fanpleaser - they hired Johnson for a reason and they are willing to give him a trilogy for the same reason.

 

They gave RJ the keys to another Trilogy BEFORE TLJ was released so there is no way they expected the backlash.

Again, I’m not talking down to anyone who loves the movie cause it’s all an opinion. But the critics and many SW faithful have been dismissing this backlash to the internet. The Box office does not lie as these are hard numbers.

They didn’t bring Luke Skywalker out of retirement to get R1 box office numbers.

 

It is not doing Rogue One numbers for starters.

But (and this was my point) even if it did end up making Rogue One numbers they might still feel taking this route (leaving the creatives alone to do something fresh) and the resulting artistic freedom might help the brand in the long run. There is no chance at all they were unaware of the nature of the film and its inherent risk.

 

They’ve alienated fans like me where I just don’t care about Episode 9, so I don’t how that is a good thing. The more I read how KK let JJ & RJ make a Trilogy without a basic outline infuriates me.

The time to take a chance and look long term is RJ’s new Trilogy. New characters, new story, that’s where you change it up in a BIG way. TFA was a success, why fix something that ain’t broke and risk alienating fans like me?

 

I would never argue that you are wrong to feel alienated.
I am simply arguing that your experience isn't necessarily representative and think its a fallacy to extrapolate as much from the box office or go even further and look for validation of your judgement in real or perceived financial failure.

 

But everyone was pounding their chest last weekend at the 220 million dollar opening which was close to TFA Opening. To have a 2nd week drop that more on par with Rogue 1 sort of supports my theory.

It had a monster opening weekend close to TFA because we all saw it, and now you have alienated fans like me who saw TFA 4 times, not even seeing this twice?

 

Disney seems to constantly forget to send me my share of the cut so I don't have much incentive to chest-pound.
I've already conceded that its a risky film and I have sympathy for those genuinely heartbroken or disappointed.

However that doesn't cancel out the fact that is a huge critical and commercial success and that its box office is more or less in line with industry predictions (between Rogue One and TFA).
If you want to point out that more money is always better for the people hoping to make money I won't disagree - because that's a semantically self validating argument.

But once again: Even if it was a huge box office bomb and only me and three other weirdos liked it, that wouldn't translate into it being a bad film to me.
Just as TPM's box office doesn't mean it's a good film.
Even more importantly it wouldn't take my joy away that a huge international conglomerate actually handed someone the keys to do something risky with the highest stakes imaginable. Its the exact opposite of what is commonly thought to happen with big-money movie-making.

 

Well, JJ is coming back so maybe he will make a movie people who didn't like TLJ will like.

 

That’s cool that you love it, and I agree with that the Box office does not change my opinion of any movie either. I’m just pointing out a lot of critics and fans at this site we’re laughing off the backlash saying it’s just whiny fanboys and I’ve continued to say it goes deeper then that.,

The Box office proves THAT point, not whether you or me or anyone else here loves or hates the movie.

 

No it doesn’t. You’re dismissing numerous other factors that might lead to the slight reduction in takings compared to TFA. When you look fairly at those other factors, the fans that supposedly don’t like the film, is of a very small percentage (when considering those typical SW fans that go back for retreat viewings).

And even if we say that the takings are down all because the film has divided some fans, it’s still largely irrelevant. It’s taking millions. It’ll easily hit 1.2billion and likely go beyond that. The critics have given it a thumbs up and in my view the film will do an Empire and people will come around to it. Most are just upset because it went against their head canon and ruined their theories.

 

I'm obviously not those people and that tangent doesn't really interest me much.
What I don't understand is your distinction between whiny fanboys and the observations that a sizeable minority of fans don't like this film (something deeper).
Those aren't mutually exclusive to me.

Again so far the actual box office doesn't prove anything of the sort. It proves that it performs between Rogue One and The Force Awakens (just as the industry thought it would).

Even if - for the sake of argument - I would grant that your view of the performance is accurate and empirically cohesive it still wouldn't leave you with a direct line between "fan-backlash" and box-office.
You could just as easily construe that the films bleaker disposition doesn't play as well with general audiences as the more or less cozy TFA did.
That's not even taking into account factors like wearing out the brand with yearly films and other happenstance.

I'm glad you agree that there is no direct correlation between the films "objective" quality and box-office though.
Looking at the larger picture that strikes me as progress of a kind (not directed at you individually).

 

Please stop with the generalizing as you continue to make up things as to why fans hate this movie and it goes deeper then that. NOBODY was expecting Han/Leia to be separated in TFA, nobody was expecting Luke to be in the movie for 30 seconds. Yet most fans seem to like TFA, so maybe it’s all about the execution of TLJ, the bad out of place humor of TLJ, the wasting of a great character in Rey who loses screentime to Finn/Rose pointless subplot. I could go on and on as Luke is actually the least of TLJ problems. But keep generalizing every fan as that is all I have heard for a week. Different = Genius is the only defense I hear. Luke flying a kite would different, but it wouldn’t be good!

 

How a movie can do 220m OW and only 67m in the second weekend.

 

If it drops 69,XXX% ^^

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Agreed. The people who don’t like it don’t dislike it because it’s not ESB 2.0 (which is the trope that a lot of TLJs more aggressive defenders try paint us with).

Personally I wanted something new. I just thought we could get something new without trampling on so much of what we all knew about the force and the GFFA. I wanted a new STAR WARS STORYLINE, not something so different that it may as well be an entirely new franchise.

Similar but unrelated note. Is anyone else getting annoyed with what seems like a general trend in movies where even writers for the blockbuster popcorn flicks feel the need to weave social commentary into their movies? It’s like every writer out there doesn’t think movies are just supposed to be fun any more. And it’s so old at this point that nothing is groundbreaking or special in their commentary. “Rich people are bad”.... yup got it, heard that a million times RJ. “Your hero’s aren’t white knights”... got that one too about a million times.

It’s like either a film maker thinks people need to be lectured too or the movie goes too far in the opposite direction and you get a thin SFX mess like the Jurassic Park reboots.

Can’t we just get a good, fun movie with hero’s we can all root for, regardless of your political/social views. This day and age, we probably need that more than anything else.