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SPECULATION Kenobi's Mistake?

Discussion in 'Prequel Trilogy' started by Lord Revanous, Nov 3, 2016.

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Did Kenobi make a mistake here?

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  2. No

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    Isn't that true of everything that happens in a film?
     
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    I always saw it as Obi-wan couldn't bring himself to kill Anakin. He Tells Anakin not to jump and that he has the higher ground, so he obviously didn't want to cut Anakin down, and even when he does and Anakin is burning i took it that Ob-Wan couldn't bring himself to take it to take that final step and take Anakins life.
     
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    He thought he would die by the flames.
     
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    Agreed but he surely he sensed he was still alive.
     
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    You mean after Obi Wan left mustafar? Agreed. By then he realized he made a mistake.all yodas fault.
     
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    Yeah I meant that. Yoda he lived up to his words, ''into exile I must go, failed I have''(yoda)
     
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    I still don't subscribe to the word "mistake", and I urge you to be lenient with the poor Obi. :)

    The day before, they were 10.000 brothers. Today they are none but 3: Yoda, Obi, Anakin. All the masters, all the knights, all the padawans, I mean all the past and all the future of the Jedi Order, are definitely gone, destroyed from inside, by treason. Treason is not the Jedi way ; treason is truly the Sith way.
    The day before, they had a large house to meet together. Today the Jedi Temple is nothing but a heap of smoking ruins.
    The day before, they were reigning over the Galaxy for a thousands years. Today, they are about to be extinct.
    The day before, Senator Padme was enthusiastic and happy. Today she is about to die, strangled by her own husband, and the unborn she carries in her belly has also been condemned by his father.
    The day before, Obiwan had a friend. Today he got an enemy who tried to kill him in an intense, long and terribly tiring fight.

    Isn't that "too much" - even for a wise Jedi Master? So, rather than overwhelm him, I greatly prefer to be grateful to him, for not yielding to his impulses in that moment, not to have sunk into the dark side, to have remained sufficiently master of himself to not betray the Jedi ideals.
    This is why I don't subscribe to the word "mistake".
     
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    I think Obi Wan was severely hurt by Anakin's choice. I don't think it would've mattered if he had somehow gotten him and took him somewhere to be healed because he had turned to the dark side and was angry of his own mistake anyway. Obi Wan seen what he had done to the children and was disgusted.

    He didn't want to out right kill him, so he just left him to die. I guess he figured it would be better for his own conscious
     
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    Kenobi's mistake was believing in the prophecy & trying to forget the Mortis episode showing what Anakin would become.
     
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    I can't remember the Mortis arc that well - did Obi-wan see what Anakin would become? I thought it was Anakin who was shown that vision.

    I watched the scene where Obi-wan leaves Anakin on the shores of Mustafar on the excellent Star Wars: The Legacy Revealed a couple of nights ago and it's clear to me that Obi-wan believed that Anakin died right there and then. It's a fair enough assumption to make when someone has lost three of their limbs and has just gone up in flames.
     
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    Hmm...i thought it was Anakin who was shown the vision and that's why he ultimately submitted to the Mortis Son, Obi-Wan didn't see that vision i don't believe. Although it's possible i'm wrong...i'll watch it again to be sure.

    And about that whole running out of time thing...He sat there doing the whole "you were supposed to be the chosen one!" speech...remove that, kill Anakin. Time issue solved.
     
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    The "you were the Chosen One" is one of the greatest pieces of dialogue in the movies. I remember seeing it in the trailer and being especially moved by it - it was one of those moments were my wife and I looked at each other with that knowing sense that this was going to be an epic film. So I have to disagree with your suggestion about removing Obi-wan's dialogue. Besides my own attachment to great dialogue, as I said before Anakin is all-but dead at that moment in the film. He is limbless and is being consumed by fire. Obi-wan is venting his frustration at both Anakin's and his own failure at that moment. Totally believable.
     
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    Watch this
     
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    Completely agree. You can't take that line out. It completes that movie.
     
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    Thanks. I really need to revisit The Clone Wars when I get the time. Although clearly the scene is deliberate foreshadowing of what is to come, didn't Obi-wan and Anakin write off their experience on Mortis as some sort of dream (or nightmare)? Given that The Clone Wars was written after the films were made, it would be highly stupid of the makers of the series (George Lucas included) to write a scene which we're supposed to interpret as Obi-wan seeing what Anakin would become and yet not do anything about it? Unless Obi-wan did read what happened on Mortis as a sign of what was to happen and, for some reason (maybe he couldn't accept that his friend would one day betray the Jedi) tried to forget it ever happened?
     
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    This is one reason why I could not get into "THE CLONE WARS".
     
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    Yeah only Obi Wan knew & thought he could charge his apprentice's path, whenever you chance, see the series. ;)
     
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    Not really. Yoda asked Anakin about his experiences on Mortis in Season 6, I believe. However, during the Mortis Arc, Anakin returned to light and forgot all he learned about his future while meeting the Brother. Besides, Ahsoka also turned to the Dark Side and then returned to light. If anything, this was for them something of a trial, which in my and their opinion they passed (they brought back the balance in the Force within the Ones' family and after facing the Dark Side they returned to the Light.)
     
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    He should've taken Anakin with him, kept him hidden from Palpatine, keep Anakin prisoner, since he wouldn't go willingly.
     
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    The prophecy was right. Only it did not pan out the way Obi-Wan and others had assumed it would.
     
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