SPECULATION Knights of Ren

The best relation I have heard thus far, in my opinion, is that Ren is a shortening for Renaissance meaning a rebirth (or awakening!!!).

 

I came across these, too, citing them somewhere in the ether of the Cantina (maybe the Third Order thread?). But, I think it is very interesting, especially the parts underlined and bolded above. Certainly sounds like someone who is parading around as the "re-born" or "born again" (per Latin origin) Darth Vader (whether descended from or masquerading as), also trying to establish himself (and the First Order?) as the predominant power in the galaxy.

I have also seen descriptions of the meaning of the name, like in Welsh it means "Ruler" and in English it means "Raven"... or is it Revan?

What I mentioned elsewhere is that Kylo Ren is starting to give off a feeling of the second-coming or born again savior. Darth Vader always seemed to me to be an "inverse" savior character, so to speak, one that committed horrendous atrocities before his sacrifice, rather than pure good throughout the world... so perhaps Kylo Ren is the second-coming of that idea?

 

Lol just when I thought I had an original nugget I like all the theories here!

 

I'm so in love with this concept.



Twisted, great mask design, two lightsabers which are not red. So much win.

 

I think the Knights of Ren are new Dark side users. They were not formed by Like or associated with Luke other than Luke and anyone he trains are adversaries. I think Kylo is abducted at a young age and brought up with the ways of the Knights of Ren. The big question is why would one of the KoR be one of the leaders of the First Order, are there other KoR, where are the other KoR and are we going to see them in the trilogy somewhere?

 

I like the idea that they have a different philosophy on the Force than either the Jedi or Sith (possible this philosophy, or its founder, is known as Ren, perhaps it is a center path between the Dark Side... and the Light). Maybe they were watching the way the Galaxy shifted until the time was right for them to come forward (when the Force awakens, or to awaken it? "The Fire Rises, brothers!" ). They could consider it their mission to balance the Force, hence Kylo's desire to finish what Vader started i.e. Balancing the Force, as they see it. Maybe Kylo is only with the First Order because it suits the needs of the Knights of Ren at this moment. Or the Knights could be the leaders of the First Order. Sort of a dark version of the Round Table.

 

What if Mizzlewump was correct but the name of the Sith founder was changed in later drafts from Ruin to Renatus or even just Ren? The Sith may be dead but the KOR seem to worship them. I believe that they are going back to the origin of the Sith before the rule of two. Hence they crusade for artifacts to connect themselves to the past and to Vader. a clever and original way to reboot the Sith in a unique way. As someone on the forum put it, it is like Christianity rising from Judaism. Core beliefs the same but obvious and in this case very dangerous differences between the two.

 

I would like a variation where they hunt down both Sith and Jedi relics, but are a separate philosophy that supposedly follows a middle road between the Dark and Light.

 

that gray road of moral ambiguity. They may be very dangerous. the Nazis collected artifacts of all kinds just because of the hopes it would bring power to them. I think they are an ancient order of Knights. out of curiosity who do you think the mask belonged to? Revan or the first Sith Lord?

 

The Knights of ren (Raunchy Emo Naysayers) I believe will be a group based on very ancient ideals. Also how high of a rank do we think Kylo is? Does Kylo mean count? Is he like Lancelot, King Arthur or one of the lesser Knights?

If they talk about ancient sith and Jedi relics from the past, that allows Disney to expand their story to include the Old Republic era and before. They can tie in all sorts of comics and TV series and maybe even movies. We, as fans, would eat that up. Imagine if they say Kylo Ren got his helmet from the tomb of Tulak Hord or Revan or exar Kun. Or if it's an entirely new history like Darth Samurai-Vader-helm man who was once known to pull a moon out of orbit with the force and crash it into a planet. I don't care what they come up with about the ancient history of TGFFA; I would want to know every part of it. And see the ancient powerful users of a bygone age. The Hercules of TGFFA, the Achilles, the Thor, etc.

That's one thing I wish the Star Wars canon had: legends and historic culture. The EU did this well but the canon hasn't even touched it yet. And every culture needs this. Who isn't fascinated by legends and myths?

Plus disney would make boatloads of money off of canonizing Revan. They can change the story a tad if they want to but I for one think they will canonize at leas Kotor 1. Kotor 1 is rumored to get a HD remake for current gen platforms, Revan was voted the most wanted toy by a large margin by the fans, and they basically made Kylo Ren look like Revan.


From another angle, a group that searches for historical artifacts of force users will make the search for the Anakin saber make a little more sense. They might be able to use artifacts to gain power, awaken an ancient being, or use a Quinlan Voss like power to figure something else out entirely. Hopefully we will learn more of their motivation soon, but the more I find out the more I think this movie could be amazing. I just hope it lives up to the hype.

 

If it is a relic it could be Revan's (wouldn't bet on it), though that might not be revealed in the film (they could just show him retrieving it from a nameless crypt). It is also possible that he made it himself, maybe out of bits and pieces of other masks, relics or not.
The one thing that makes me hesitate on them being an ancient order (at least a saber wielding order) is the fact that Kylo's saber is homemade and very unstable. It is as if there was no one left to teach him how to make one, or that there wasn't even an existing saber to take apart in order to learn or to just use. If the Knights of Ren have been around a long time using sabers, why was it so hard for him to make one, or even find one? They could be a recent cult that is trying to rediscover knowledge of various Force users throughout history.
Another (though less likely, I think) possibility is that the Knights aren't Force users except for Kylo. I have no idea how that would work since "Knights" suggests ancient weaponry like lightsabers and that implies Force users, especially with Snoke's implied Force sensitivity.

 

Yep it's great.

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Yep the meaning of his name has been solved.

 

Yeah I thought of that, but the Sith were in direct control of the Empire, or at least the members were. I was thinking it would be a good dynamic if Snoke led the Knights of Ren in alliance with and heavily influencing the First Order, who themselves had their own leader.

 

I also think that Ren could be an abbreviation for Renaissance. The other idea i'm entertaining is that they are the progenitors of the jedi and the sith. The original order of force users before the great devision. Now returning after the fulfillment of the prophecy of the chosen one...

 

This is how we know kylo Ren is affiliated with the first order:

 

And apparently strong in the Force, as opposed to the weak impostor some were speculating.

 

Being strong in the force needs context, because it doesn't mean a whole lot unless you can compare them against another Force user. If there's no comparison then saying someone as being strong in the Force becomes a description about a character's possible potential and not their actual skill set. Luke in ANH is strong in the force as well, it gives him the ability to become a great pilot, and of course using the force allows him to destroy the Death Star. But it's not until he meets Yoda in ESB that he understands the power of a real Jedi that has mastered the Force. We see just where Luke is with the Force.

Another opportunity for comparison occurs when Luke decides to face Vader without completing his training. Of course Luke's lack of skills make it readily apparent he had no business facing Vader like that. Darth Vader toyed with the novice who looked weak trying to even keep up with a master Sith. Fighting Vader is something only a real Jedi, or someone close to becoming a Jedi, should undertake. And anyone who doesn't have the skills will quickly get exposed.

Kylo may be strong in the Force, but how much training has he had to harness that ability? Does he need a whole lot of training at this point? Because if Kylo is just surrounded by folks who have no Force ability, he's going to look like someone with almost god like powers.

Again it's context, how does he match up with folks who are just as strong or even stronger in the force than him? Because he could look like a weak impostor then, as Luke looked against Vader.

 

Kylo Ren could be an idealist like Count Dooku, who engages is politics, at the disdain of his fellow knights. Or he could be strong in the Force, a lunatic with dark side powers, and still be a Sith wannabe that has no clue how to harness or control himself. I do not care what you say, that is a flaw, and makes him beatable. I still believe Rey, whether she turns or not, is the stronger, and will prove it, at least by the next movie.

 

Thanks to me genius x.

 

I always thought the fraud spec bordered on ridiculous. Why would they make the heir apparent to the Dark Lord a weak wannabe?