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Ladies & Gents, I give you SNOKE!

Discussion in 'Star Wars: The Last Jedi' started by ITG, Nov 20, 2016.

  1. ITG

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    Quick note, everyone -

    We're going to change pace a little bit. @ITG put forward his crazy Snoke theory, so now let's hear all of yours. This is the thread that will prove Pablo Hidalgo wrong!

    -jmjawors


    *** Original Post ***

    As the biggest fan of the "Darth Plagueis is Snoke' theory, I can't quite believe I'm posting this, but here goes. I've had vision!!!!

    EPVIII. There's a flashback sequence that takes place on Endor. Luke has returned to join the Ewok party. A younger redeemed Anakin can be seen with our heroic Jedi friends. All seems happy....

    Imagine the scene:

    "Vader" continues to burn. There's a disturbance in the force and we see a strange visual of some sort. Vader's charred body rises from the ashes. Cut.

    I'm beginning to think that Sidious continued in his quest (with Vader) for the secret of immortality, and found a technique - force possession. He's taken "Vader's" old body and become an abomination. Full of knowledge but has a "strange vulnerability". Andy Serkis also stated that; "Snoke is very much the Palpatine of the ST" in Empire magazine. Too bloody right, Andy!!!

    VADER and Sidious both resemble Snoke with their scarring. Snoke is born.

    Look closer...

    SIDIOUS
    ANAKIN
    VADER


    This explains the intimate details that Snoke is aware of regarding Vader's moment of sentiment. Being around during the rise and fall of the Empire. Targeting Ben Solo to destroy his family and to achieve the ultimate revenge on the Skywalker's. This also explains how Kylo Ren has Vader's partially charred helmet and why he wears Vader's cape in VIII (as rumours indicate). Vader's belongings obviously didn't hang around for long on that pyre.

    It'd be an easy thing to explain, by simply having Snoke reference cheating death and by showing what would be a haunting flashback!

    The Sith were destroyed in ROTJ and balance was restored. But Snoke is a new kind of animal. An abomination made from the two most powerful Sith Lords that ever existed.

    This opens the door to explore the whole cheating death storyline, which all started with Plagueis. Something that James Luceno hinted at in a recent interview with Kristian Harloff.

    #Doesthissnoketheorysuck?

    Discuss! Troll! Like!
     
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    Sith can't exist in spirit form.
    Snoke has all his limbs.
    Snoke is a new character.
    The Sith are dead.
    Snoke was around during rise of Empire.

    Go home @ITG, you're drunk.
     
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    yeah I had a discussion with someone as well who had the theory about Snoke being Palpatine who may possess a body. Your theory is indeed very detailed and would fit with the scene in which the emperor is thrown down the reactor shaft and the blue energy leaves the shaft. But if this already happened during Endor party, Luke must have felt it. Hmmm, maybe that's why he left so early and did not continue the training of Leia. ;)
     
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  4. ITG

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    Said George Lucas. They threw his ideas out.

    He's an abomination - he has the same nails as Palpatine! He's healing by "using people for their power!"

    This would technically make him a new character.

    I explained that the Sith are dead. This is something else!

    Yes he was. From a certain point of view.
     
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    Lucasfilm didn't use George's ideas while creating storyline for TFA. This very specific of Dark Side users not beig able to become Force Ghosts comes from "The Clone Wars" series, which is still canon, so Palpie couldn't have changed into a Force Ghost.

    Theoretically, there's also another possibility. In TCW after the first battle of Dathomir Mother Talzin freed her spirit from her body so that she could survive the battle and later return to physical form. Since Palpatine was taught by Talzin in Dark Side magick (as far as I remember,) he could have in theory escaped his body and pursued later revenge. However, there's a number of problems related to this alternative route. Firstly, he mostly couldn't have possesed Anakin's body. Why? Yoda's and Obi-wan's remains vanished after they became Force Ghosts, so I'm certain the same thing happened with Ani's body. Secondly, if we rule out the possesion and assume that Sidious instead decided to regain his physical form, Luke would have most likely noticed that. Talzin's attempt required huge amounts of Living Force and such an unnatural intervention into Life & Death's cycle would have been sensed by Luke (and Leia) and (t)he(y) would do anything possible to stop this attempt from fruition. Lastly, if Snoke was even partially Palspatine, they would have brought back Ian Mcdiarmid and put on him some new make-up or even use his voice at least. He lives in London, he definitely enjoyed his time as the Emperor and Lucasfilm is not afraid of bringing back Prequel-era actors into their films (Genevieve O'Reilly, Jimmy Smits, Ewan McGregor,) so why wouldn't they do the same thing with Palpie?

    PS. There was also another point which I forgot. If I recall it, I'll add it later.
     
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  6. ITG

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    Anakin s body looked very much there when he died in ROTJ. As for TCW stuff, it's all nonsense! :D
     
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    Did you just ignore Lucas intentions, season 6 had all the things he wanted to settle, like kyber crystals, and the force ghost thing, plus why Vader was gone at the funeral pyre and Hayden force ghost showed up, and of course that force spirits are a thing for selfless people only.
     
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    Your theory is weird. I stick to my own theory.:D Snoke is the first dark sider . He ressurected himself by force draining a visitor to his crypt.(pwned)
     
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    Yes, I'm ignoring George.

    #WhiteSlavers #gobbledygook
    --- Double Post Merged, Nov 20, 2016, Original Post Date: Nov 20, 2016 ---
    Silly.
     
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    :D:D Yeah but sidious anakin vader is the real deal hahar.
     
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    Maybe. If not, then Plagueis lives :)
     
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    No.
     
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    No way, this theory needs locked up.
     
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    It's an interesting concept but I don't think it's very plausible. So...
    [​IMG]

    Just kidding.
     
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    Plagueis confirmed.
     
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    Nah not this again.
     
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    Not another Snoke/Pleagues theory! Just give it up. wait til we get more info on Ep. VIII. if they say snoke is a new character then hes new. as Pablo H if its a pseudonym. and i read one thread here that mention anakin/vader/sidious that took alphabets out and spelled snoke. really!?
     
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    Desperate times, desperate measures.
     
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    Indeed I agree with you. This would be excellent. Never made sense that Palps allowed himself to die like that anyway. He always had a Clairvoyance about things. He always seem to know his destiny.

    I believe this would help make Snoke weak too as he would need to use all the force power he has or nearly all of it just to stay alive.
    Luke was actually needed to have Vader turn on the emperor. Sideous needed Vader to turn on him and to the light to save his own life and Luke was what he used to turn Vader.
     
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