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SPECULATION Lor San Tekka (Max Von Sydow's Character).

Discussion in 'Star Wars: The Force Awakens' started by zathronas, Sep 7, 2014.

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    That may be true, but the rumor that MVS was the commander of the downed star destroyer thereafter leading the marooned crew said Jakku was uninhabited. I think the presence of the AT-AT debunks that rumor, not that there wasn't some kind of base there.
     
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    Why does that debunk it? The AT-AT was probably used in the battle man. Did you not watch Empire Strikes Back? Hoth was uninhabited. Rebels set up shop. Empire found their base and dropped AT-ATs onto Hoth to get the Rebels.
     
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    I'm going to speculate:
    There was a battle over something of value on Jakku.
    Ground forces were used to defend/destroy that something.
    For example: Rebels set up a base on a remote uninhabited planet....AT-AT's are used to destroy base...here's an illustration:
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    Alive and well....unless there's someone else under the armor posing as him!!!
     
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    How is this "clouded"?

    I totally agree that it may have been used in the battle, but the fact that it was used in a land battle (probably where there was a base, according to Battlefront), debunks the idea that the planet was previously uninhabited, which was presented in the rumor that said MVS was the commander of the downed star destroyer, whose crew were abandoned there by the Empire. If we can definitely say the planet was NOT uninhabited, then that suggests that rumor has holes in it... also, the fact that the planet was inhabited makes it far less likely that anyone would be stranded there. All I am saying is that the rumor doesn't hold up very well when you go through each logical step this way. Doesn't mean there wasn't a battle and people weren't left behind, but it does debunk the rumor specifically that the planet was previously uninhabited (and I would argue it debunks it generally, too).
     
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    You missed the latter part of my post. I'll share it again

    Did you not watch Empire Strikes Back? Hoth was uninhabited. Rebels set up shop. Empire found their base and dropped AT-ATs onto Hoth to get the Rebels.

    Why does an AT-AT being present on Jakku debunk a rumor about Max von Sydow being an Imperial commander from the crashed Star Destroyer that lives on Jakku and basically starts civilization on it?
     
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    I see what you're saying but I'm not sure how him being a star destroyer captain is disproven by anything you just said. There was a battle. They star destroyer was downed and maybe only a few people survived via escape pods, MVS included. Are you wondering where all the rest of the people would be?
     
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    I saw your post, and I acknowledge your point. I think we can all agree that when a rumor drops, if one element of the rumor can be disproven, it calls the entire rumor into question. My thinking was that the AT-AT debunks the rumor that the planet was previously uninhabited. As soon as the Rebels set up a base on Hoth, it was no longer uninhabited. But perhaps I am being too literal when I read the word "uninhabited," and the original rumor meant something akin to Hoth when that person said Jakku was "previously uninhabited", meaning before the Rebels or Empire set up whatever base was there.
     
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    It Appears that AT-AT's are some how dropped into battle or come down on a cargo like ship and drive off. Before Vader see's what the droid has found there is no other establishment on Hoth other than the Rebels. That's why they are hiding there. The battle of Jakku may be a very similar instance.
     
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    There now we're on the same page.
     
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    I agree that the Battle of Jakku may have involved everything you guys suggest, my only point is there would be no reason to have AT-ATs on Jakku if it was uninhabited. There must have been something there, and I probably failed to think of "previously uninhabited" as akin to the situation on Hoth.
     
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    Yeah no biggie! ;)
     
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    . . . and Windu's for that matter.
     
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    This debate about the Star Destroyer plowed into the dirt and the AT-AT's tells me this:

    Based on the rumor that there was a battle OVER Jakku, I'm speculating that there was a potential reason that it happened there...like the Battle of Hoth, as others have said above. BUT let's say that (for instance) when the Star Destroyer went in, that the space battle was perhaps a losing bid for the Empire/First Order that it then subsequently moved to the ground (AT-AT). At that point, like the space battle, the Empire perhaps ALSO found the ensuing ground battle such a losing and disastrous proposition that they turned tail and abandoned the planet, thus leaving all surviving personnel (live MVS) to die.
     
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    I think the leak said somethin about beeing inhabbited 40 years before TFA wich leaves up a timegap of maybe a decade to establish something.

    Another ting could be, those wrecks draw attention to everybody living there, maybe its to keep moving. Something like this is introduced with seasen 2 Rebels. Clone survivors live on inside a walker.
     
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    40 years before TFA? That's Pre-A New Hope time.
     
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    But didn't they also say that the Battle of Jakku takes place one year after the Battle of Endor? That doesn't leave much time for the Rebels or Empire, whichever one it was, to set up shop on Jakku. Does anyone know how long it was that the Rebels were set up on Hoth before they were discovered?
     
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    Where is that leak,I just remeber that I was quite surprised.dunno how long it takes to set up a base, but shouldn´t take to long. Even in real life it works in less then a year.
     
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    In 1990-91, The U.S. Military moved into Saudi Arabia for The Gulf War in less than 6 months!
     
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    Yes, but Saudi Arabia, Kuwait, etc. were allies in the area. They undoubtedly provided some (limited) assistance. Setting up shop on a previously uninhabited planet would require far greater resources and manpower. For instance, the base on Hoth was essentially built into ice caves, which may or may not have already existed before their arrival. Either way, the construction involved had to have been a massive undertaking. That, and I think the rebellion at that point was still very much an underfunded, underdog operation. So I would think that building up a significant outpost on a previously uninhabited planet would take considerably more time than gearing up for the Gulf War or other places where civilization already exists.
     
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