SPOILER MakingStarWars Rumors and Speculation Thread (Part 1)

Not even cyborg Luke?! But that's impossible. Sources please....

 

One thing (among many, but connected to the "final scene") we still don't know really anything about why the lightsaber is important. Is it just a symbol referencing the passing of the torch? Unlikely, given the rumors of Poe frantically hiding it iniside BB-8 while on the run. Is it the crystal which unlocks a tomb? If Luke is guarding this tomb and wants to prevent unlocking, why would he want the saber? Why is it so important to get him this saber? How did it end up in space? Perhaps a new breed of inquisitors are hunting down Force-users period. Maybe the lightsaber inspires our new heroes to find Luke, deciding it's time to bring the Jedi back out of legend.

 

And that's the key: He says "only states"; he doesn't say the documents explicitly indicated that the sequence in question is the only one including Hamill. He's probably simply missing the documents which describe Hamill's other sequences. Han Solo's death is a more solid rumor because there's apparently a call sheet which specifically pertains to it; but in this case, Ward is relying on the argument that absence of evidence is evidence of absence, which is logically fallacious. I still think we're going to get to see Luke make mincemeat out of everybody at the end, and it's about time: Looking back on his two existing lightsaber duels, Luke gets his hand chopped off in one and then gets electrocuted in the other. Now, the bad guys aren't going to stand a chance!

 

Totally agree.

But what about a film where Luke becomes important by his absence? He doesn't have to be onscreen a lot to be key to the story being told.
That was always going to be the problem with making these films. Luke's journey was very personal, that was why it was so engaging, and that journey is over.
How about if for Episode VII, the fact that he should/could be there, but isn't, makes it as much "about him" as if he was there?
Imagine we are expecting a repetition of the Obi-Wan as mentor thing in ANH, but he doesn't show - how do our new protagonists deal with things without that guidance?

Exactly. What about the documentation he hasn't seen, or a clue as to what the "documentation" actually is.

 

Here's my question for Viral and MSW, I'm assuming that a lot of the cast and crew will be used for future SW movies....what's the incentive for them to reveal everything and risk not being part of that in the future... or being sued for violating their contract? (It's not like it's the final episode of Lost, and the crew will find new jobs). Seems like a lot these sources are taking a lot of unnecessary risks...

With the lack of set photos (like the PT), I really do believe that we're seeing what Bad Robot wants us to see. Seeing a cyborg holding Vader's helmet gets EVERYONE excited...of course....I haven't heard much about Vader's helmet being in the movie...whatever happened to that rumor?

 

If many of these rumors are true ... will JJ and company begin damage control? Or are they not necessarily spot on? Perhaps there wouldn'tbe any damage xontrol campaign, so as not to give extra credence to the leaks.

 

Of course not. Logically it should be the next one in the skywalker bloodline.

 

"Structurally, there’s really no place for him in the story I’ve read. The documentation we have seen only states Hamill has this one sequence and they’re the final scenes in the film for sure."

So @MakingStarWars read a story? Why can it not be shared or posted? It sure seems like feeding bits and pieces to help fuel clicks for the next 298 days.

 

While I don't believe this rumor, I could envision an ending wide shot w/ Rey&Luke looking something like this:

You're right, they would not try to divide the fanbase with this movie.. oh, wait:

Yes, Battlestar Galactica did similar in Season 2 with "Downloaded" which featured the Cylons and it helped set up the season finale.
But Both of these are TV shows: They can afford to burn an episode or two on such diversions because they know they still have plenty of screen time to execute a great story. We got three 3 movies here; that's it. And the spacing between them is measured in years, not weeks.

 

This is ridiculous. An entire thread servicing Jason Wards giant ego. He implies that he basically read the script but calls it "documentation". If he really has all of this info from someone who clearly doesn't care whether they work on a movie set for the rest of their life, why give it out piecemeal? A true fan wouldn't hoard info just to get clicks on their site until next December. Plus, he was the ringleader behind the whole Luke is evil nonsense that everyone knew just couldn't be true. I love reading spoilers and speculating as much as anyone. But this thread just seems like ego inflation and I choose to no longer be a part of it. Just my honest opinion.

 

The problem I have with the whole "misinformation campaign" conspiracy theory is that it is not just MSW involved.

MSW started off as a tumblr blog posting random Star Wars pics from across the six existing movies, before its current incarnation. I don't know JW, but I'm pretty sure he has said that he was around during the MF.com/XBoards days of prequel spoilers, without actually being involved in any leaks - he may correct me on that.

The point is, the stuff MSW has leaked so far cross-references everything a bunch of other trusted established sites have leaked - MF.com, SWU.com etc - sites that have industry connections and have been spoiling Star Wars stuff for more than a decade and, of course, stuff leaked on this very site matches up exactly with MSW stuff.
And, has matched what we have now seen in the trailer.

So either everything we have seen from every source - including Disney's own trailer - is fake... or it is not.

Now, bits of it may be wrong, or conclusions may have been jumped to regarding certain things - that is how it has always been regarding leaked info - but, in general, there is more reason to presume everything has stacked up so far.
The people at MF.com are not going to suddenly decide to share fake leaks after years of leaking legit LucasFilm crap and getting legal threats from the bearded one. No way.

This description of the ending may turn out to be incorrect, and the idea that Luke isn't the movie for long may be a false assumption - but that doesn't make MSW part of some misinformation campaign... that's just silly.

As a point of reference - If anyone can remember back to when the MF.com got hold of the ROTS novelisation... they were just plucking bits out of that transcript and sharing it in installments. Now, everybody got hung up on certain elements - for example "the formation of the Rebellion", and the whole "secret behind the Force ghost" thing, and a lot of heated debate took place about about these two points. As it turns out, both of these scenes were dropped from the final film, despite being in the novel - that doesn't mean MF.com were misinforming people about the movie. They had a source of info that revealed more detail about the film than anyone could have hoped to have known, but it was also a source of stuff that ended up not being in the film, or that played out differently in the finished movie.

 

AGREE 1,000,000%. I will join you. Also checking out from MSW.

 

One last post...no one is saying this is just MSW. I think Jason puts a target on his head when he published this stuff and then went after the other sites on Twitter or in (now deleted) posts on his site ,as if he's the only person who has connections/sources. It's not WHAT he's doing--it's how he's doing it. If I see the rumor on this site (or any of the one's you mentioned), I'm more likely to believe it because they've earned my trust.

And if Luke appears for 30 seconds to give a hug, then I'll give JW a big high-five.
And if Luke is a crazy cyborg guarding a Sith tomb, then I'll give him a big high-five too...because he'll be right in both cases.

Finally, a lot of the newer sites are just re-linking to MSW--so it's a big fat echo chamber. In fact, just saw a site publish JW's opening scene description. Back to an earlier question: are there no other sites with sources? Why aren't these other sites with industry connections weighing in? Viral did.
Ok, now I'm really gone.

 

But they don't have an indefinite number movies. This story ends in three. Iger has said this. He said the trilogy ends in 2019 or 2020 whatever year ep 9 is scheduled to be released.
I'm not saying they can't or won't do future films but this particular story.
I just don't see these characters go beyond three films.

 

If Luke only appears for 30 seconds at the end of the film that would please no one. Lifelong SW fans would get disappointed and new fans wouldn't know who that guy that suddenly appears at the end of the movie is. So what's the point? Do you guys think such good screenwriters as JJ and Kasdam, and Kennedy and Bob Iger would support this idea, knowing it would just confuse everyone?

Why then is Mark Hamill one of the front speakers of this movie so far? Would he speak of it so openly and freely if he knew he was barely in it? I don't think so. That would piss a lot of people off and they know that. No way that is happening.

And if that rumor is true, then it means 80% of what MSW previously said is false (all the previous Luke rumors). So why giving them credit now if now all their previous rumors turn out to be BS? It has no sense, no matter how you look at it.

 

I can see where your coming from. But if what you are saying is true regarding the studio view Luke, then I think Mickey Mouse has made a major miscalculation. People WANT to see Luke Skywalker. And not just as some animated prop at the end of the movie. Casual fan is gonna be sitting in the theater, grumbling and looking at the time on their smart phones wondering why the film is wasting their time with these three characters that casual fan didn't come to see. And irregardless of how much we logically explain to casual fan that Luke can no longer be a main character, casual fan isn't going to care. He's gonna be in the theater, blowing up twitter and facebook about this, word spreads through the late night on the hashtags, and by 6 am EST we're going to have an online #$!%storm over this movie. Luke Skywalker has to be engaged in this film; he has to be integral.

 

http://www.starwars7news.com/2014/1...ially-wrapped-final-day-of-filming-today.html

Hamil had more scenes after the wrap party and after he shaved.

 

So that proves definitely Luke is in more than one scene. Or does he have a beard and then he shaves in just 30 seconds?

"Rey hands him the lightsaber, Luke has a big beard.

Luke: Thanks Rey for giving me back my lightsaber, finally I will be able to shave. It itches so bad!

Luke shaves his beard with the lightsaber. End Credits"