Midichlorians worse than anything in the ST

I agree, to a point. Whether it was the intention of Abrams and Johnson, the dictates of Disney -- or both --the STs paid homage to the OTs in countless ways.

On the other hand, what made Jon Favreau's The Mandaloriaan stand out from the films and feel 'fresher' and more "Star Warsie" is that he went back to Lucas's original 'notalgia collage' for his inspiration. That's why the show has captured the interest of SW fans in a way the STs didn't.

 

I can't entirely agree there. I would if Mando had stayed the way it began, but it started going the route of Star Wars showcasing pretty quickly.

I do agree that the first few episodes were well on track with Lucas' general approach, though.

So far, the only one I've seen really hit it all the way through was Ron Howard. Which makes sense. He's worked with Lucas before as a director on Willow and is from the same Hollywood era (he's also who Lucas wanted to do the first prequel).

Cheers,
Jayson

 

I think they can save midichlorians by exploring them more and not less. Granted to just throw midichlorians in like they did was rude. They relegated the force down too some biological thing in the cells. They stole the mystery and enchantment of how the force works. Well to fix it they need to explore and explain it more ending with mystery and enchantment of how the force works.

 

THIS! ^^^^

 

Since the point of them was a personal belief of human social evolution towards symbiotic maturity by Lucas, which is an extremely personal belief position, and that corporations don't typically get tightly focused on making personal belief claims, I wouldn't hold your breath on that.

Cheers
Jayson

 

Can't say I agree.
The ST damaged many aspects of the OT.
Midichlorians just give some 'science' to something we already knew. It seemed to be passed through your blood/genes. 'The force is strong in my family. My Father has it. I have have it. My sister has it.'

 

Then why weren’t the Jedi encouraged to procreate and ensure future generations of strong force sensitives loyal to the family business e.g. the Jedi order?

I guess if the ST had said “The midichlorians have allowed Palpatine to return.” then there might not be so much heat on TROS.

 

That line simply existed to get rid of the, "There is another", line Lucas threw in (by his own admission - paraphrasing) to make it seem like Luke could actually die and the story could keep going without him.

The family lineage was there simply to keep the 'sins of the father' theme Lucas and, especially, Kasdan were really big into. Leia was simply the easiest fix that required the least shuffling around.

Don't read too much into this stuff. If you read the transcripts of the preproduction you'll see a wild array of just about anything being considered.

It was simply Kasdan making the best in the shortest time dramatically rather than having Luke just walk up and say, "Oh, hey, you're my sister and the 'other', so hey audience, I could die."

At first, 1974-1977, the Force was egalitarian. It was this generalized thing as found in 21-87 with magic powers.

From that point on it became a grab bag for solutions rendered out as dramatic devices tossed around in story session meeting after meeting which, again, can be seen by reading the transcripts.

Cheers,
Jayson

 

Well - that ties in with the monastic feel it was going for in the PT, also wrapped up in the no attachments philosophy. They probably didn't want to create an underclass of people without force sensitivity, so their celibacy then makes sense with midichlorians considered.

 

I’d always taken Yoda’s line regarding Luke’s family as being noteworthy. The Force runs strong in HIS family. It was a remarkable thing. Not every Jedi kid is the product of a Force rich parent and not every Jedi parent would produce a Force rich kid.

Each person’s connection to this unseen, omnipresent energy is unique to them. As individual as a fingerprint. It’s a spiritual link more than a biological one. That’s why cloning Force users was so problematic. You can copy the body. But you can’t copy the soul. ”Luminous beings are we, not this crude matter.”

When you really look at how they’re used in TPM, there isn’t much ‘science’ behind midi-chlorians. Qui-Gon is initially only interested in them as a means of bolstering his own personal belief in a mystical prophecy. When he later expounds on them, he relates that they speak “the will of the Force”. It’s expressed as an article of faith rather than any sort of intellectual fact.

I don’t think the midi-chlorians ‘demystify’ anything about the Force. They just add a needless layer of complexity onto a concept that’s beauty was in its simplicity and relatability.

 

There was no internet back when Yoda made that statement in TESB. If there were, the amount of speculation that phrase alone would have generated would have filled dozens of forums!!!

As it was, Star Wars fans spent hours upon hours debating with each other what it meant until ROTJ came out.

 

Oh, the speculation was wild. There's fan letters included in the books ranging on guesses all the way to Boba Fett even.

Cheers,
Jayson

 

I wonder why Ron Howard ( American director of 1988s Willow, now a Disney+ series ) declined the prequel offer with George Lucas ( American Filmmaker of 1977s Star Wars a New Hope ), but took the director's chair for Solo when summoned by Kathleen Kennedy ( President of Lucasfilm and Co-founder of Amblin Entertainment ) rather than GL? I would appreciate your analytical examination on this, I apologize in advance for going off topic... interesting to say the least.

 

Firstly, I want to say that I have a ton of respect for Howard. He's one of the most humble people you can come across in the industry. Now, to the question.

He declined the prequel because he was intimidated by the stature of it, and also believed that only Lucas could do the reintroduction of Star Wars at that time. So did Spielberg and Zemeckis. This time around, he says it was a little easier because it was already cracked open, there was a script (which there wasn't the first time around) which helped him because he understood the kind of movie it was trying to be and how to do it (since it wasn't a giant epic, but more of a 1970's gritty car caper movie), and he appreciated that this was hashed out originally between Lucas and Kasdan as a story and then Kasdan took it from there.

Additionally, he checked with Lord and Miller first and they also wanted him to do it.

Howard's been pretty open about it all.
Here's one example: https://mashable.com/article/solo-ron-howard-interview

And lastly, Kennedy is a very close inner circle person of the Lucas troupe. Some people (not indicating you yourself in this) have this idea that she's some baby snatching witch of the west, but she's been there since the old days all the way through.

People love to make a villain and attack them with blame for whatever conspiracy of choice, but not only did Lucas suffer the same, folks forget Kennedy's been right there for both what they've hated and what they've loved.

Lucas personally picked her to be president of his company and if she didn't care about Lucas, she wouldn't have had Lucas and Kasdan working together on Solo, nor would she bother having Lucas come around when he pleases.

But the reality of the business is so vastly more nuanced and different than any on the outside ever give it credit to be. So many people just want to find a witch to burn, a hero to cheer, and a champion they can praise and then strip and throw to the lions.

They're just humans.

Oh, also - both Howard and Kennedy are producers on the Willow show... which was also a Lucas/Howard gig back in the day.

Cheers,
Jayson

 

From a purely personal view...the PT didn't take away my pleasure in the SW franchise, the ST did. The midchlorians creating Anakin as some sort of immaculate conception was cringeworthy but the PT had a great storyline, excellent performances from Jackson, McDiarmid, and MacGregor and really did end on a hopeful note...that Padme's dying words would be repeated in the future from the son who would eventually save her husband's soul and destroy the evil that destroyed him.

I can forgive them for the midchlorians for that!

 

Disagree entirely and I grew up with the Original Trilogy. The concept of the Midichlorians is one of the few good things about the Prequels, the problem with it is Lucas just didnt take the time to explain how it to any conceptual level, at least not in the movies, and unless you go and find the answers yourself through interviews in which Lucas did provide some reasoning outside of his movies, you would never understand just how much Midichlorians opened up the world of Star Wars without bringing it too close to that of science fiction, by providing a physical aspect to the Force without actually ruining the mystery behind it, which some people still mistakenly think Lucas had done.

 

There is so much to love in Star Wars... I won't let the Midi's ruin it for me... it was an awful mistake... I'm moving along now, just moving along.

 

What was Lucas' concept of the midichlorians in "TPM"?

How did midichlorians destroy the concept of the Force for you? I never understood this reaction to them.