More things to cry @: Han & Luke didn't reconcile

Thank you, FN-3263827!

It was a bit of a reach, but it would be great if the storytellers could make Han Solo's passing as meaningful as possible. I would be delighted and grateful if they would consider incorporating my idea. I've thought about it long enough that it seems to fit very well.

But I also know the script is said to be written already, but there are also said to be rewrites.

Let's hope they at least will clue us into Han's departure as well as Luke's, reveal what Han could not tell Leia, and establish Han and Luke were indeed friends to the end. That would not be asking for too much, I think.

JediMasterRobert

 

Me neither, actually.

If Han blamed Luke for what happened, he wouldn't have said what he did to Leia.

"There's just too much Vader in him."
"If Luke couldn't bring him back, how could I?"

If anything, Han and Leia blame themselves.

Leia: "I should never have sent him away. That's when I lost him."

Luke would obviously feel guilty, too, but I think it's more of a case of everyone blaming themselves but not each other, as would happen with really close friends and family.

They separated because they each feel they failed the other two, not because they blame them.

Luke: Rey, the first task in your training as a Jedi is...
Rey: Yes, Master Luke!
Luke: ... go pick up the power converters! No way I'm doing that again...

 

Absolutely! And dump your uncle's annoying wonder girl at the same time! Getting back at both "fathers" who disappointed him by doting more on someone/something else.

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Great post! I don't believe there was "bad blood" between Luke and Han, I think it's a unilateral feeling of failure. I believe that Han felt that he had failed Luke by sending him a dysfunctional kid to train, in the hope that Luke will make up for Han's lousy parenting, and then said kid kidnaps Luke's own daughter or betrays her to Snoke (or something).

I believe that Han devoted his entire life after the "fallout" to the quest for Luke's missing kid. He said to Leia that he went back to what he was best at, and that is - frankly - flying a spaceship. I think the smuggling was an undercover operation to get him around the universe. But by trying to make it up to Luke and give up on his own son, Han wrecked his own marriage and sent the wrong signals to Kylo, who only got worse.

It's only after he's picked up Rey and the Falcon and meets up with Maz, that he is open to the suggestion to go home and mind his own family affairs, since he has suffered just as much as Luke.

From the original trilogy, I remember Han as the kind of guy who always kept accounts of who owed what to whom. ("That's two you owe me" after the Wampa attack). A guy like that must feel eternally in debt to the friend who tried to parent and teach Han's little psycho-boy and lose his own family in the process.

 

I hope that happens.

 

Maybe THAT should be the opening scene...as soon as the crawl happens, we start hearing a voice over of someone...Han's last will and testament being read in his own voice. Leia and Luke are there and we see Han's body. Leia says some words and Luke himself lights the pyre with Chewie . The second the body is lit, Ben feels it and we cut to a sheer close up of Ben's scarred face tearing up and breaking down and then cut ro Rey watching Han burn FEELING Ben's emotions...Luke then senses, "there's still good in him" and they both leave to save Ben from his (already) doomed fate .

 

Agreed this scene should happen on Corellia.

 

Oops! Wrong saga. But you get the feeling. Lol.

Truth is that if something like that happens, I'll be crying from the beginning of the movie lol.

 

Don't worry about it Hunger Games has similarities to Star Wars, I know the feeling, I was angry when i first saw Han's death my first bucket of popcorn was crumpling in my hands with rage then shifted to tears when realising Daniel & others must have seen this & felt the same way.

 

I know. I had heard all the speculation beforehand but even so, I couldn't help but feel like a punch in the stomach when I saw that scene. And specially the next one, where Leia perceives that, I couldn't stop the tears. I guess that the quote from "Sense and Sensibility" is quite true:

"There is a painful difference between the expectation of an unpleasant event and its final certainty."

 

That is correct. It took me a while too. Watched the OT again and again, even read some interesting bits of fan fiction to get over it. But I agree with you, all the implications of it is something we might not have thought about until somebody else mentions it (like this thread).

 

It would be the obligatory dark scene .

 

Right afterwards, I could not stand Kylo Ren. I really despised the guy for what he did, but then I realised the real one to blame - in my opinion - was Snoke and what happened was a voluntary act of love from Han - when he is dying but he touches his son's face - you get an added sense of tragedy on this.

 

he has been gone for a long time. Luke knew how they felt, they didn't have to say goodbye. They knew

 

Came to say this. I bet it's true and we'll see it in a flashback.