Official Episode VIII - Kylo Ren Discussion Thread

It's implied that Ben was never told who Leia and Luke's father really was. In the book Bloodline, it gets out publicly in a tragic way, a person who hates Leia finds a music box with a message from Bail Organa, expected only Leia to ever find, so that if something happened, she would know and find Obi-Wan Kenobi and her brother Luke and hide. IT says who her real parents are. It gets out in public without Leia knowing ahead of time, while Ben is with Luke somewhere. We don't know where Ben or Luke is and we don't know how long she had seen them, but she tries to send him a message. I would assume it would be Luke, or perhaps Ben found out then. He would have been around 23 years old at the time. It became public probably on all the holos and probably quite a scandal.

Leia never thought anyone would have possibly known but she, Luke and Han at that point.

 

Kylos new mask in VIII

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jk, but it looks awesome.

 

i wouldnt be surprised.

 

I have a feeling (a bad feeling) that Kylo will attempt to stop any assassination attempt on his mother and fail, he'll be just too late, and his anguished almost desperate "No....no" (similar to how he spoke to the Vader helmet) will be the clue for the audience

But I may be wrong folks

 

Nice upgrade, Ani would be proud.

 

doubt it and more the opposite. Kylo will be the one attacking and maybe killing his mother.

 

"But this shocking act of patricide didn’t make the former Ben Solo feel stronger – somehow he felt weaker. Kylo Ren had hoped to end the conflicts that caused him so such pain, but found he remained at war with himself, more lost than ever."

http://www.starwars.com/databank/kylo-ren

I doubt it, don't forget Kylo is a Skywalker/Solo and will be redeemed by the end of the trilogy, because of his sentiments for Rey:

 

Kylo has no sentiments for Rey, he indeed tortures her without remorse in TFA.
And that Kylo has to be redeemed because he is a Solo/Skywalker is a very weak argument. Noone wants the guy alive who killed his own father Han Solo.

 

Only in your mind. The post from @Niamor clearly provides evidence for how Kylo does have sentimental feelings for Rey.

Except his dad would want him redeemed...and his mum...and uncle...and eventually Rey.

 

This and

I’m fine with you ignoring any evidence, but don’t go around lying about others people’s opinions. That’s just a pathetic way to make your opinion look favorable.

 

ohh, at least in one other mind, that mind is called JJ and he directed and wrote the movie TFA. He called it a 'mind rape' from Kylo to Rey. And the auditioning for Daisy was called a torture scene.

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some rumors suggest Luke wants him dead.

 

Vader tortured Luke. But he also had sentimental feelings for him.
I also don't think JJ making a off-the-cuff comment to a guy on his death bed about how he interpreted the scene could be used as evidence to support your opinion.

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Again, you're quick to condemn people for suggesting anything about ReyLo, yet you're the one jumping from sentiment to s&m at the first opportunity.

 

You shouldn't judge a character's fate only because of one movie. I'm confident that TLJ (and EPIX) will deepen Ren's character and his motivations. After we learned everything about the tragedy of his fall, even more people want him to be redeemed. I promise you this will happen. It's useless to fight that.

 

so you claim that JJ lied to a man on the bridge to death?

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I see no way to like him or have any smypathy for such a monster after what he has done in TFA.

 

"Kylo has no sentiments for Rey, he indeed tortures her without remorse in TFA."



the compassion line from the canon novelization:

and Kylo kills his father because he's manipulated by Snoke, still from the canon novelization:

Snoke “Kylo Ren, I watched the Galactic Empire rise, and then fall. The gullible prattle on about the triumph of truth and justice, of individualism and free will. As if such things were solid and real instead of simple subjective judgments. The historians have it all wrong. It was neither poor strategy nor arrogance that brought down the Empire. You know too well what did.”

Ren nodded once. “Sentiment.”

"Yes. Such a simple thing. Such a foolish error of judgment. A momentary lapse in an otherwise exemplary life. Had Lord Vader not succumbed to emotion at the crucial moment—had the father killed the son—the Empire would have prevailed. And there would be no threat of Skywalker’s return today.”

he's almost convinced by Han to leave the dark side, and he immediately regrets the murder of his father, JJ Abrams in his commentary of the movie:

"But then, the idea was that in this moment, where he’s taking the lightsaber and offering it to him as a gesture, the sun finally is drained from the sky. And you see the light go away. And now they’re in this darkness. And darkness takes over. And as if this moment isn’t disturbing enough, he pushes the saber further in and says these terrifying two words. “Thank You.” In Kylo’s mind, what he has just done seals the deal. It’s the ultimate proof to Snoke that he is to be trusted, that he will not be seduced by the light. And I think, the instant that he’s done it, he regrets it."

 

Comforted him on his death bed more like.
I wouldn't want to disagree with someone about their interpretation if they're close to death, myself. What's the point?

So you must feel the same about Vader then and regard Luke's love for him as twisted?

 

If Luke would have brought back Vader to the rebel party to have him a happy life now, then I would have seen Luke as stupid. His father was still a monster for all he had done and death was the right penalty to pay for the crimes.

 

That wasn't your point. You said you would have no sympathy for nor like Vader in any way. Luke did. Luke helped bring him back. Was Luke wrong?
DO you think the message Star Wars presents is: Hold onto hatred? Or love defeats hate?

 

but Vader is killed in the process of redemption and that's fine. He also suffered by the burning and limb loss. But how did Kylo suffer for his crimes? That's a horrible message if he is even rewarded to be a torturer and brutal killer.

 

But you're agreeing Kylo can be redeemed, that other characters can still like him and those that do help redeem him wouldn't be stupid to do so?