Official Episode VIII - Kylo Ren Discussion Thread

i don't see any training happen either. at worst, it's Snoke poking him in the marbles with a mental hot iron.

 

Says a real Snoke-Poke fan

 

I'm thinking they are either saving them for IX and we only get a quick cameo in TLJ or maybe they are already gone? I'm not sure but if there needs to be henchmen for Rey and Luke to beat the s**t out of I'd rather it be the Praetorian Guards and the KOR be saved for something better. After seeing how many concepts there were for the KOR and naming Kylo around the idea of them AND Snoke name dropping them in TFA I cant see them not being important in someway.

 

i have a feeling these Knights have zippo to do with Snoke or the FO ~ hence Snoke's condescending tone about them (and hence their immediate absence).
i'm all for that because if Ren turns, then maybe these knights (wherever they are) turn also and follow him on whatever path he ends up choosing.
and that could be awesome.

 

hmmm...If the KOR end up being what was the AOTB they prob have some kind of association with Snoke. They were having darkside visions etc when putting on the masks they found so you'd think he would have been made aware of that by Kylo. They were darkside worshippers after all. If they don't though and are still alive I think it might be sort of weird to see Kylo in a sort of grey area after seemingly dedicating himself fully in TFA (By killing his pops). I think if there is a chance for Kylo to turn it'll be ala Vader (isn't everything with him ) and he does it last minute in IX.

 

i feel like they were set up as Sith-worshippers with Darth Vader being their lost messiah.
so it all depends on where their allegiance lies: with the grandson of Vader or an anonymous Darkside user who as far as we know isn't even Sith.

 

If you are a Vader worshiper I don't think it gets any better than his own flesh and blood. That's almost the real deal. I wonder though did Snoke introduce them to Ben or did Kylo introduce them to Snoke?

 

i guess this is what i'm saying: i don't think they have anything to do with Snoke at all. i think they are entirely Ren's business (which is why Snoke derides them).
and i guess i was thinking it would be cool if Ren gave Snoke the finger and he and his band of misfits went off on their own.
extra points if the last surviving members of that gang are Luke's other apprentices (though that feels like a longshot lately).

 

I get you. I'm saying its also possible that Snoke showed up and told Ben he has a group of pissed darkside worshipers who think he is the equivalent to darkside Jesus and he can do as he pleases within the First Order vs. Being Uncle Luke's sidekick student.

 

true, that.
definitely one way to flip him from Jedi apprentice ~ by offering him Darkside master.
but it still seems to me from Snoke's demeanor that he considers these knights a trivial matter.
hard to imagine him dangling that as a carrot only to be like: whatevs, that's punk.

then again, this is Snoke and he's a fishy-eyed toilet monster, so i guess that's not necessarily out of character.

 

I'm so desperate to see KoR that I'm willing to accept them getting owned by Luke. Unfortunately I'm starting to lean towards very little if any KoR in TLJ. Mainly because of zero marketing presence. I wish I'm wrong. There's a chance they'll appear in flashbacks (e.g. the burning temple scene from the teaser). I just hope it's not like Rian didn't like the idea and/or the look of KoR, decided not to go into them and came up with the red guards instead. If KoR are saved for IX I hope it's because Kylo turns and they're hunting him down.

Sometimes I wonder - what if the guys from TFA aren't KoR? The red guards are Elite Praetorian Guards. What if the bunch in the rain are "standard" Praetorian Guards? What if all of them are KoR? So many questions... There are clear parallels between the two groups - they both feature members with different weapons and outfits in the same style.

 

Right, def a sneaky/shifty creep. I honestly never got the whole Snoke demeaning the KOR thing. People said its more obvious in the novelization and the way it was shown in the German subtitle or some crazy crap idk. To me though why warn someone about doing something extremely challenging by telling them they have done something/been a part of something dumb???? That makes ZERO sense. That's like me telling you "Ok bro you have to go make it through this mine field...I know you have become a master of not needing to wear diapers but...you've never done anything this hard".

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I think if the Praetorian Guards were the KOR they wouldnt be called the Praetorian Guards. I think we are just being held out on. Its like they read forums. Everyone want the KOR? YOU GOTTA WAIT!!! Everyone wanna see Luke with his green saber?? YOU GOTTA WAIT!!!

 

no, the implication is that Ren is saying he's got no problem dealing with his father and Snoke says as the Master of the Knights of Ren he has never faced such a challenge, which basically denigrates everything he's ever done with the Knights of Ren, and worse: the tone he uses basically suggests that the title itself is worthless.

he's making fun of Ren and Ren doesn't even know it because he's so caught up in wanting to serve.

 

Is that explained in the novel? In the movie he gives an example of his accomplishments and then says this will be much harder. I really don't think there's much else to take from it. Sort of like when people think that the people around Maz's castle yelling were Finn hearing voices through the force I think both of these things will prove to be misconceptions.

 

it's definitely a question of interpretation. and since i think Andy Serkis is a bad actor, that makes it even more questionable. hahahaha
but i do hear it in his tone if it's intended. i don't feel like the book supports it one way or the other except to emphasize that Snoke isn't interested in all that peripheral nonsense: he's fixated on controlling Ren by any means and is very passive-aggressive in the way that he does it (to a sickening degree).

 

I think Snoke introduced the KOR to Ben because I don't think the KOR would've known otherwise that this kid was the grandson of Vader.

I agree with this. I think Snoke recognised early on that the KOR could be a great manipulative tool, in that they could be used on Kylo to strengthen his "Vader" bond, his obsession with his dead grandfather and pull him closer to the Dark Side. I think from the start Snoke has challenged Kylo to live up to the standards of Vader (the foundation that I think has built the Snoke-Kylo relationship), and the KOR reinforce that along with the Vader mask and so on.

I'm really hoping we witness the KOR in action. They are way too cool for that not to happen!

 

I think we will see a montage between Rey's and Ren's training (=> cutting forth and back). Rian likes to use montages, especially to indicate a passing of time.

 

I guess the rest of the KOR were searching for Luke the whole time and they will find Luke and Rey and they will be crushed.This will be the climax of EP VIII.Then Luke/Rey will go after Snoke/Kylo.EP VIII ends.

 

@FN-3263827 Question- When did Snoke deride the KOR?

 

i explained it above.
this is an interpretation of the way Snoke addresses them in the film combined with his general malaise in the novel about Ren's "hobbies".