Official Episode VIII - Kylo Ren Discussion Thread

This is not true. If you look at the Art of TFA, Poe was supposed to survive as there is concept art of him on Jakku, which means he was meant to be alive after the TIE fighter crash.

Also, if you listen to Oscar Isaac's interview on being cast in TFA (around the 1:00 minute mark), Poe's character was still evolving while he he was approached for the role.

The idea of killing him off after the initial escape from the FO was just one story line considered but not pursued. I wish people would stop bringing in this rubbish argument to undermine Poe's character.

And its ridiculous to consider him a secondary character just based on his role in TFA when even Leia and Vader barely had any screentime in ANH but are considered the main characters of the OT.

Now if Poe still has limited screentime or no character evolution in TLJ, I will definitely concede that he is a secondary character. Until then, I would go with LF's official stance of him being one of the three heroes of this trilogy.

 

The three main villains as I see them,

Hux: Literally, Hitler.
Phasma: Traitorous and self-serving. She deserves to be taken down by one of her own (Finn).
Kylo: The Prodigal Son. Almost literally as the story is told biblically.

Spoiler: The Biblical Parable of the Prodigal Son

Luke 15:11-32Holman Christian Standard Bible (HCSB)
The Parable of the Lost Son
11 He also said: “A man had two sons. 12 The younger of them said to his father, ‘Father, give me the share of the estate I have coming to me.’ So he distributed the assets to them. 13 Not many days later, the younger son gathered together all he had and traveled to a distant country, where he squandered15 Then he went to work for one of the citizens of that country, who sent him into his fields to feed pigs. the carob pods the pigs were eating, but no one would give him any.17 When he came to his senses, he said, ‘How many of my father’s hired hands have more than enough food, and here I am dying of hunger! 18 I’ll get up, go to my father, and say to him, Father, I have sinned and kissed and sandals

28 “Then he became angry and didn’t want to go in. So his father came out and pleaded with him. 29 But he replied to his father, ‘Look, I have been slaving many years for you, and I have never disobeyed your orders, yet you never gave me a young goat so I could celebrate with my friends. 30 But when this son of yours came, who has devoured your assets with prostitutes, he said to him, ‘you are always with me, and everything I have is yours. 32 But we had to celebrate and rejoice, because this brother of yours was dead and is alive again; he was lost and is found.’”

I believe that this is the arc that Kylo Ren will have and he will indeed reclaim his birthright as Ben Solo before Ep9 is over.

Edit: I didn't list Snoke as a main villain. Not because he isn't one, but because he's mostly an unknown malevolent quantity. As of now (until TLJ shows me something new) he is the least interesting character of the lot of them.

 

this doesn't really mean anything, but i thought the choice of words was interesting:


http://comicbook.com/starwars/2017/...ive-matt-the-radar-tech-kylo-ren-adam-driver/

 

See, I think this trilogy is unique in that despite what many tend to think, it's not a direct parallel of the older films.

Looking at the OT, I'd say it's clear that we have:
Luke- main and focus character (in that I'd consider the film an ensemble cast, but Luke clearly has the "A storyline")
Leia and Han- other main characters
Droids, Chewbacca, Lando, etc- side characters
Vader and Empereor- Villains

Then, the PT was a bit of a mess
Main characters- Obi Wan, Anakin, Padme (with little and inconsistent focus on all three)
Side characters- Yoda, Windu, etc
Villain- Palpatine, apprentices, etc

With the sequel trilogy, I think people are expecting something like:
Main and focus character- Rey
other main characters- Poe and Finn
Side characters- Rose, etc
Villain- Kylo, Snoke

But In reality, I think it looks a bit more like this:
Main and Focus characters- Rey
other main characters- Finn, Kylo (may instead be main and focus, depending on coverage in next film)
side characters- Rose, Poe
Villain- Snoke, Kylo (in addition to other categorizations)

Obviously these may change depending on TLJ.
I don't think we've ever quite had a villain like Kylo, outside of Anakin in the last half of ROTS perhaps.

 

Kylo is reverse Anakin...

 

If we believe Rian Johnson, then the main focus of TLJ is Luke > Kylo > Rey. I wouldn't count Poe as a main character btw.

He is more of a reverse Luke.

 

How is someone who was born being strong in the force, trained by the Jedi, turned on the Jedi and destroyed them the reverse of Anakin?

 

Kylo at his best:

 

Kylo is not hte main character. He is the antagonist - http://www.dictionary.com/browse/antagonist

Rey is the protagonist - http://www.dictionary.com/browse/protagonist?s=t

Finn and Poe are other heroes who fight with and support the lead protagonist- Similar to Han and Leia in the OT. Thus the "trio".

Also - Kylo Ren is Ben SOLO - he isn't/won't be/can't be the last "Skywalker" - he already has a last name and it isn't Skywalker.

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But he wasn't and his role was changed.

 

He's the main antagonist, thus he's a main character. Furthermore: "Rey and Kylo are almost two halves of our protagonist, Luke Skywalker." - Rian Johnson, writer and director of TLJ.

Rey's last name isn't Skywalker either.

 

Yes, but he isn't part of the trio of heroes .

Yes - ALMOST - and opponents who are two sides of the same coin isn't new.

That we know of.

 

I wouldn't either, but I think people are trying to draw parallels between the OT trinity (Luke, Leia, Han) and the ST (Rey, Finn, Poe). I don't think that's really accurate, though.
I'd say that, in more ways than one, Poe is more akin to a character like Wedge, maybe with a bit more storyline.

 

I've always thought the ST will mirror aspects of the PT more than people give it credit for, because it looks so similar to the OT.

Kylo is that AOTC level Anakin. He's not fully trained. He's not 100% sure of himself.
He hasn't become "Vader". He wants to be, but isn't.

 

except that he's murdered a bunch of students already, is actively working with someone evil, is seeking Luke to kill him........all things AotC Anakin hasn't done yet, adn wouldn't do.

much of hte marketing of TFA was around the new trio of heroes and those 3 (Rey, Finn, Poe) to mirror the OT trio. Claiming Poe isn't part of that or that Kylo is the main character is just silly (since I know my audience, that isn't the same as saying the ST story WON"T be about redemption or that Kylo can't turn back or anything like that - after no one would say 1) Vader was the hero of the OT or that 2) Vader didn't became good at the end and kill the Emperor).

 

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copy/paste ftw

all guesswork on my part my friend.. but i'd go with 'probably', 'probably', 'unlikely' for those 3 things.
need more input before any of us know if we're right.

 

we SEE him do it. https://i0.wp.com/makingstarwars.net/wp-content/uploads/2016/04/image-9.jpeg?resize=1170,475 " He destroyed everything that Skywalker tried to build, leaving his Jedi Temple in ashes. Ben Solo took on the name Kylo Ren, becoming an apprentice of Supreme Leader Snoke and a member of the Knights of Ren.[2]" - http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Kylo_Ren No possibly about it.

Ya, good call. Kylo and Snoke aren't working together at all.........

And yes they don't make it clear they want to kill Luke once they find him..... Have you see The Force Awakens?

 

i saw a Kylo Ren with an agenda very different from that of Snoke. he is under Snoke's boot yes... working together? we'll see

no need for that bro

Snoke isn't trying to find him... he wouldn't have ordered the rebel base destroyed if his goal was to find Luke. He wants to stop anyone from finding him.. he doesn't want Luke to be found.

Kylo wants to find Luke... and went against Snoke's wishes to try and find where Luke was.

i guess we all see these things differently

 

I always thought Snoke just wants Luke to stay away from the conflict. He doesn't care if Luke is rotting on his island as long as he isn't coming back. Kylo on the other hand wants to find Luke to face him once again.

@Maximus, you were faster than me. haha!

 

then why would he be looking for him?

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Ya - snoke just trained him, brought him into his miltiary, Kylo takes order from hime tc..... yep no connect there at all.

Then why not destroy the village with ties instead of going on foot and look for the map? Had they just carpet bombed the place, killed Poe and destroyed BB-8.....mission accomplished.

And when you say things that are obivously in the movie, its a valid question.

 

Who? Kylo or Snoke? Snoke isn't looking for him. Kylo Ren could looking for his uncle to face him and to blame him for everything.