Official Episode VIII - Kylo Ren Discussion Thread

I like that. Best exchange one could think about for Ren, compassion for Vader steps back besides his fascination for Rey. At the beginning he constantly desires Rey as his personal "apprentice" but at the end, as you point at, its a matter of staying alive when they have to face the old devil, to join for the greater good and fight there way out.

 

ha! isn't that the truth? : D

 

I can absolutly understand Rens character in that subject. I feel guilty, because I admired my cool grandpa as young adult just as much. He did not kill anyone - no way- but his life circumstances were not within conformistic traditions, but that made him cool and adorable in the eyes of a teenager, that grew up in absence of a father most of the time. The solution: Compassion for a fascinating, charismatic woman (*diving under my couch*) and some good friends.

 

Yeah, so the first main hero in Star Wars that's a woman ultimately needs the help of a man?

Even a man boy who did such awful things is a better hero than a woman, yeah?

C'mon

Some if this stuff sounds like bad fan fiction from a group of dudes who don't know how to write female characters.

 

i don't really understand how you came to that conclusion from what @oldbert typed.

because what he said was that Rey's goodness convinces Ben to reject the Dark. basically, Ben needs her help.
in fact that's what's been said in this thread ad auseum. Ren is weak, Rey is strong. she will win him back to the Light. they will fight Snoke together.

except the Commodus Ren crew, who want him to go completely deranged and use Hux's skull for an ashtray ~ hahaha

 

Surely his point is that they need each other - creating equality between man and woman?

 

Meh.

Many, many people on this forum of fans keep trying to invent a version of this story where Rey in some way fails and needs the help of the guy who mind raped her.

There are different ways people go about this, but it's all essentially the same- downplay Rey in some way and build up kylo.

It's odd and frustrating to see.

I don't think people realize how sexist some of this stuff is.

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See my other response.

She needs the guy who mind raped her and killed his own dad?

Yikes.

 

Yeah theyr eluctantly work together while playing with each other's minds.

 

point to one person who has ever suggested such a thing. just one.
one person who has actually said Rey needs him because she's weaker than him.

honestly, i think you just see what you want to see.

 

A) It's not downplaying Rey - it's "up playing" her!
B) She "mind raped" Ren too.
C) If Rey is perfect where on earth is the drama going to go with the character?

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You said "playing with each other's minds", right?

 

Huh?

No where did I say she is perfect or should be perfect.

But this strange desire some of you guys have to see kylo Ren turn into a hero to help Rey is very odd.

 

hahaha ~ if he has a problem with them "mind-raping" each other now, i can't wait until episode viii to see what things they do to each other over the bond that i'm about 99% sure will happen.

 

Yes because that's what my sentence says.

 

What are you talking about??

The gist of the kylo-turns-good (or worse Reylo...) is that they team up.

Why?

What connection does Rey have to Ren to "turn" him good and team up with him?

He's not her father, etc.

Most in this camp seem to think she is unrelated.

So...her arc is essentially to help kylo, who is nothing to her other than her abuser, so that they might team up?

Take a step back and think about the message to little girls.

 

doesn't have anything to do with Rey. she's already a hero.
some of us just want to see Ben saved--is that really so awful?

and we're not all guys here.
in fact, i would say half the people who post consistently to this thread are women.

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telling girls to have compassion for their peers is a pretty good message, i think.

 

Is it then strange to enjoy Vader's redemption? To see that as a satisfying conclusion to the original trilogy?

Kylo Ren's redemption is important else the mythology won't have moved on. The new hero, Rey, will be far less impressive than her male predecessor Luke if this trilogy ends with evil Kylo.

All heroes need help. Rey will be getting help from Luke. But there can be no doubt that Rey has some shared experiences with Ren that Luke might not be aware of. We also don't know what happened to her parents yet which could provide a great deal of conflict that Ren can be involved in. Their destinies are entwined, so I would prepare yourself for Rey eventually seeing Ren differently...

 

Like I said I hope some of y'all don't have daughters. Straight up.

A lot of you guys should really take a step back and really think about this issue.

If the main character in the new Star Wars movies, who is finally female, ends up simply being a plot device for the murderous killer to come back around, that sucks.

Bad.

When Luke did it, he was saving his father.

It isn't the same in any way.

And, a lot of these little fan fantasies are starting to go a step further- Rey turns dark, Rey needs kylo, they start a romance (I'm convicted the dudes pulling for this not only shouldn't have daughters but maybe should steer clear of women in general), etc.

So it's you who generalize, because not all of these fan fiction artists just want a redemption story. A lot of them want more than that.

As far as those who just want Ben to turn good at the end, that's just plain unoriginal.

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Of course more to the story can come out, but there is a big leap from "seeing Ren differently" to "I hope Rey turns dark and Ren saves her" or the Reylo stuff.

 

Wow.

 

you just keep repeating yourself no matter how much we tell you that's not what we're even saying.
and you ignore the fact that it's largely the WOMEN on this forum who are pulling for Ben Solo (including myself).

i'm sorry, but it's impossible to have a reasonable conversation when you seem incapable of listening.
not sure what kind of message that sends to little girls.

i know right? i'm done. i got episodes of Rebels to watch ~ hahaha

 

And I'm not trolling. I really am sincerely asking you guys to step back and think about this.

Women have to put up a lot in the media.