Official Finn Episode VIII thread

Finn never wins


Dont look at that. Seriously. It doesn't count. For many reasons.

 

Well you see, that stormtrooper was just committing suicide by Rebel. If he was really trying and wanted to win, he would hvae killed Finn easily.

 

Of course.
And the two he shot down after this? Finn was actually shooting at puppies and they threw themselves in front of them to save the puppies.

 

He sneaked up behind that Trooper and stabbed him. And since when has killing Stormtroopers been an incredible feat? Old Han was shooting them without even looking in their direction.

 

He sneaked up BEHIND him and stabbed him in the CHEST. Neat trick.

 

This whole thread got out of hand a month ago or even earlier and no one has been able to tame it ever since.

 

I wrote last year in this very forum that WW director Patty Jenkins talked openly about how she wanted Steve Trevor to have his own sense of agency and not be a weak sidekick. She wanted him to be a true co-lead who was just as capable in his own way. She didn't have to do it that way, the movie is called "Wonder Woman" after all. Meanwhile TPTB of this franchise couldn't do that for Finn in TFA. The movie was called "Star Wars", not "Rey's Wars". But Finn was not treated with the same care and respect that Steve Trevor got. And Steve Trevor "got the girl" to boot. Did any of this weaken Wonder Woman as a character? No. Jenkins was smart enough to make it work.. Meanwhile we got Rey pointedly telling Finn to let go of her hand to hammer home her strength and independence.

 

yes he is. Just because and Steve Trevor aren't clones of each other doesn't = one isn't treated with respect.

 

No he isn't. There's a clear difference in how the two characters are treated. They don't have to be clones, but one movie understood that it would not be detrimental to the female lead if the male lead was also strong.

 

If we are goign to compare Wonder Woman to Rey.......thats a different conversation (I think there is a conversation to have with the apparently politics Kennedy is putting into the Star Wars movies in general but......) but when its Finn - Steve Trevor, you're point is "Steve did X and Finn didn't, therefore disrespect" - I disagree with that premesis, I don't think the Finn character was looked at disrespectfully by the writer, producers, director etc... He is different then Steve Trevor, doesn't mean he is a joke.

 

In regards to Wonder Woman and TFA, keep in mind both had bait-and-switches.


Wonder Woman film spoilers:

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TFA's misdirect was that Finn was not meant to wield the lightsaber (gets coma). It was meant for Rey to win with.


In Wonder Woman, the godkiller is not the sword (gets destroyed), but Diana herself.

Wonder Woman's bait-and-switch is at the cost of a sword. TFA bat-and-switch is at the cost of Finn.

Do I really have to explain how using a person to prop up someone else is worse than using an inanimate object.

 

Finn being shown with a lightsaber isn't a bait and switch.

1) You got to see Finn fighting with a lightsaber twice in TFA, and clips from both fights were used in the movie. What they showed you was representive of what was in the film
2) A bait-and-Switch is when a store/company advertises 1 product to get you into their store, then sell you something worse or more expensive. For example - "Switch's on sale for 200" - but they only have 5 for sale (unreasonable low number) and when people come in looking for it they try to sell them an X-Bone or PS4 instead. So unless you're going to claim Rey (or a women in general) hero with a lightsaber is a worse or cheaper version of a hero fighting with a lightsaber........... but even if you are, we STILL GOT what was advertised with Finn.

 

Basically no one has had a legit kill since we stopped dueling and everyone has a fair chance.

 

Reading this makes me think of an old Andrew Dice Clay joke where John Travolta, Robert Deniro, Al Pacino and someone else were all on a camping trip roasting marshmallows. I had to laugh when I read this.

 

Yoda and Palpatines individual battle was more of a stalemate. Palpatine only had to not lose to win because he'd gotten Anakin "the Chosen one" on his team. Mace had Palpatine beat and lost because one of the strongest Force users ever chose that moment to fall to the darkside (depicted very poorly I might add). Just my two cents carry on with your arguments....um debate.

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Defintion of bait and switch: the action (generally illegal) of advertising goods that are an apparent bargain, with the intention of substituting inferior or more expensive goods.....Now that being said in every other Star Wars advertisement before TFA the person using the light saber (sans super droid General Grievous) was a Jedi or Sith. Why would any person at least slightly familiar with Star Wars believe said character (in this case Finn) would be something other than a Jedi or Sith? Also just to be clear before someone drags the Han used a light saber argument. He was never ADVERTISED as WIELDING a lightsaber. Rey on the other hand it was taken great care to conceal her contact with the lightsaber to "surprise" the audience (I already knew but I remember audible gasps in the theater from casual fans who had no idea. I even remember people whispering...."so SHE is the hero cool".....true story) However you feel about it. This is by definition a bait and switch.

 

John Boyega: “I really wanted to tell people that Finn wasn’t going to be the Jedi of [The] Force Awakens, that you wouldn’t see any signs of him being Force-sensitive. Because they had all the posters [of Finn] with the lightsaber, I didn’t want people to be somewhat disappointed. But you know, Daisy [Ridley] looks good with a blue saber, too — she took on the helm and I was able to sneak off being unconscious!” (April 4, 2016)

 

Oh no john. Not "somewhat" disappointed.

 

This. Steve got to romance her despite not being the lead. Finn didn't...despite being promoted as the lead. It again comes down to Hollywood's race problem. If Finn was white he would've got the girl.

This problem will only be fixed when we have diversity in the studios.

 

The problem is deeper than that. I don't think Hollywood is comfortable telling stories where a particular group isn't the center of everything. Big Bang Theory is a perfect example. How is it that the guy who plays Raj, who is a good looking guy has a hard time getting a woman of his own. When they do find a woman for him she is always white, and the one episode where he talked to another woman from his country he was drunk and disrespectful. Is that coincidence or does it speak to a larger issue? Hollywood doesn't want us with our own women, because then we would be talking about how beautiful they are, and how much we love them. So they give you white women instead so they can hold onto the idea that all men want our women. Even though they don't want that either.