Official Finn Episode VIII thread

I've seen people say it was okay right after viewing it and then after a few hours of reflection, pretty much have the opposite opinion. You know a movie has major problems when one of the most common descriptions from many in the general audience is "divisive". I've even seen Rey fans express dissatisfaction and she's supposed to be the main character. Daisy Ridley is reported to have actually cried because Abrams is coming back and Mark Hamill has expressed disagreement about Luke's handling and even John Boyega has looked less enthusiastic compared to what he was leading up to TFA.
I probably won't be wasting money on this.

 

Wow 58% is the public rating at rotten tomatoes against 93% press reviews

 

I wonder if Daisy had as much fun making this movie as she did TFA? I'm getting the impression that it wasn't for a few of them.

 

That's a quick turn. Yesterday it was like 85% or so. Maybe people wanted so see a SW Movie and not another funny Marvel Superhero Movie

 

I think TLJ was beautifully shot, but ultimately (where it counted) a swing and a miss. ESB left us with a sense of closure while at the same time giving us items that needed to resolved. What is to be resolved here? That:

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The Resistance is somehow going to spring back to life with manpower and resources after effectively being destroyed? I guess Luke and Yoda will come back to train Rey and the one stable boy. And Finn will? Well Finn will Finn I guess.

 

eps 9 will be crazy for Rey lol

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Rey vs Kylo and the 5 knighs who were luke jedi apprentice! even with the help of the stable boy, it's gonna be hard... And Finn won't still be a jedi lol [/spoiler ]

 

Honestly it was dismal, and look I wasn't expecting Force Usage. I did think he would make him special in some way, but that didn't happen either. His fight with Phasma? Entirely forgettable. I think that's the part that throws me the most. I just knew that it would be spectacular and it was entirely unsatisfying, especially the end. They made Phasma the worst joke of all the characters. The strengthening he spoke of, the assurances that Finn was still a main protagonist... nowhere to be found. It is so disappointing because I just knew that it would be better than what I saw.

 

I know she and John both expressed an uneasiness about not being able to work with one another.
Also, I don't care what people say about stable-boy's reveal being about hope, it does nothing to help any of the characters that came into contact with him. It serves no purpose outside of the movie but to show the overwhelming tone-deafness of the producers. No matter which way you slice it, it looks problematic given what transpired in TFA and now TLJ.

 

But ironically Daisy's acting and range are tons better in this film than TFA.

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Finn will be to busy killing Hux for slapping him

 

Spoiler: Phasma - Finn

Phasma's death reminds me of Boba Fett's death in ROTJ... LIKE WHAT???? And I know they like her character so she'll be brought back like Boba Fett escaped the Sarlacc but shheeehhhh what a waste. One thing though I got a bit excited when the blaster just bounced off her armor WOW but alas a total and complete utter waste. I'll buy the Phasma's book when its discounted to about 75% because according to her book she is bad ass! hahaah

 

I'm done with RT but not surprised 93/58% not surprised at all...

 

Ok my Finn centered (this IS the Finn thread) mostly non- spoilery thoughts on the last Jedi

Graet movie, visually stunning

From an originality and story standpoint it is head and shoulders above TFA.

From a character development standpoint unless you were Kylo Ren, Luke and Rose. Not so good.

This movie was Kylo Rens story (which I guess makes sense Skywalker saga) and I like the inverted heros journey the parallel but opposite path of Luke for this trilogy (all we saw was Vaders fall but not his journey so this perspective is different) Adam Driver was excellent.

Best thing in this movie for me was crochety Luke and everything about him and his story

Canto bight seemed like mostly filler for me and an excuse to set up the ending scene

Rose and Finn are an awesome team not sure if I heart them more than Rey and Finn though

Speaking of..REYLO is dead....so is Stormpilot

All the ladies love Poe pimpin

ReyPoe?...maybe

HoldPoe...lot of chemistry could've happened...oh well

Is it me or is there a slightly possibly eensy weensy cougary vibe between Leia and Poe? I'm not saying anything happened...I'm just saying...don't @me

Leia love Carrie Fisher...RIP her moment was weird...but I'm ok with it

I'm ok with Snoke and Andy Serkis is awesome, am I interested in his backstory...yes, is it important...not really he served a purpose for Kylos journey.

I may be in the minority here but i liked DJs character and portrayal and seeing him was important for Finn

Spoiler: CAMEO

I love Yoda one of my favorite if not favorite star wars characters of all time. People had a problem with Atrack of the Clones I did not I thought he whipped Dooku and Palps was scared of him in ROTS... to me ANY amount of Yoda is good I hope we see him again next film..but I digress

The 3BG podcast said something wise about Rey...she is NEO ( from the matrix) without self awareness She is the one and amazing at everything but doesn't know how or why? ( not mad at that) but neither do we (kinda mad at that)

Disclaimer before I do Finn stuff. The loudest Finn fans come in two polarized camps on this thread. On one side we have Finn should've been a Jedi and Lucasfilm us determined to screw sideline, trivialize and minimize him and any POC charaacters in the Star Wars universe. On the other side are the Srar Wars is totally rad apologists who ridicule dismiss, and excuse ANY criticism of these movies and their treatment of Finn's character no matter how legitimate and backed up by evidence because they don't want to believe a character could be marginalized because of race, gender, etc.

Then there is the rest... I'm one of the rest..somewhere in the middle..I don't believe there is a conspiracy, but i do believe Lucasfilm has exercised a lack of creativity and narrative purpose in regards to Finn's character at tge expense of others...

Ok Finn stuff

The Phasma fight was just ok to me. If you liked it cool, but to me...I saw most of it in the trailer. What I walked away from in the fight was less about Finn's "growth" as a character and more how much Phasma was wasted as a character. She is a badass in the comics and that translated to that fight but not to much else in either movie....at least she didn't go out like Boba Fett I guess...

Not sure Finn looks at Rose like that...nor am I sure he doesn't look at Rey like that...frienship is the only OBVIOUS ship with Finn and either lady he has adventured with.

Did Finn grow as a person in this movie, sure, did he grow as a character..um slightly. Have they advanced his story in this film...no not really, but at least I can say the same for everybody else in this film too except Kylo Ren..facts ..this movie was the Kylo show. For Rey to be the main character I don't think they advanced her arc much either especially outside of the context of her interactions with Kylo

We got an update on Luke's character but it was 30 years in the making.

Rose I can't count it was her first movie but she had the female rebel version of Finns journey...in the last film. That being said she was an awesome character.

Finn is damn near in groundhogs day he woke up and did a different version of the exact same stuff from the last film. Flame all you want but he was doing the same stuff with a different female companion he was just braver this time.

If you wanna make a quality over quantity argument. Poe learned to be a leader and became the leader of the Resistance with way less screentime.

Finn had a similar adventure as last movie and came to the same conclusion I thought he did last film ( to fight) his motives and worldview just improved and expanded...which is a good thing...it is not original though.

Overall my gripes are few but they are real. For a film with such original writing that is taking Star Wars to new places what they decided to do and not do with Finn is very unoriginal. But a good movie overall. My expectations for Finn are extremely low for Ep IX

And I reiterate just for the sake of logic. With an impending fight of 12 +1 Jedi vs a military juggernaut with thousands of soldiers + a Dark Jedi and possibly his force sensitive gang (KOR...finally....maybe?)

They better let my man Finn develop some elite skills ( being pretty good at everything won't do it) because charm, bravery, and being a good shot with a blaster REALISTICALLY should not keep him alive in a fight with insurmountable odds.....that is all

 

I had planned to see it roughly 3 times in the opening weekend. But having seen it now, I think I'll stop with just 1 serving

 

its funny how some of us joked that rose or rey would actually save finn and kill phasma. We weren't that far off.

 

Genuinely confused people didn't see any character growth for Finn. Ok, so he's not the lead, people need to be able to move past that.

He went from having a paradoxical mix of attitudes in TFA- desperately wanting to be the Big Shot Hero- but also having no hope and wanting to run away.

By the end of TLJ he's the one showing the small group thats left that hope is still there, understanding that being a hero isn't about being the Big Epic Guy (Poe had to learn this too) but being able to foster hope in others. After the group escaped Crait, they can go out and bring hope back to the galaxy and build numbers. Finn started that- when everyone, including leia, thought that was it, no one believes we can do it. And Finn wouldn;t have it. His growth from TFA to TLJ was great.

I thought he was meh in TFA and I really liked him in TLJ.

 

Don't agree with most of this post.

 

oh dude we know. Even rey got dragged in this movie. Kylo ren is the only character RJ wanted to write or something.

 

The public also gets to vote on that escapist poll every year for the worst company in America and they overwhelmingly vote EA as the worst because of microtransactions or something in video games over companies who have actively ruined the environment and financial institutions who's horrible investing has literally ruined people's lives. So, yeah... not gonna give any credence to that poll.

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I don't get all this talk about Kylo's development. He was portrayed as a unrepentant kid who got punked repeatedly. The only person that got punked more than Kylo was Hux.