SPECULATION OFFICIAL Kylo Ren Discussion Thread

He's very impatient .

 

We know Kylo hasn't finished his training based on Snokes comments. Does that seem curious at all? I mean, what if Kylo was able to retrieve the map with no problem, and found Luke's location. Would Snoke have allowed Kylo to face Luke, without complete training? Does Rey defeating Kylo, make Snoke rethink sending Kylo on missions under the belief that no one could oppose him? Afterall, Luke is the last Jedi, maybe he thought the partial training would be enough?

 

i don't think Snoke's been in any rush. he was perfectly happy to just destroy BB-8 and leave Luke lost to the galaxy.
it's Ren who's itching to actually find him. and we know Ren's judgment isn't very sound.
so i don't think Snoke would have wanted his apprentice to face Luke yet and was trying to avoid it altogether.
the loss of the map seems to have forced his hand.
otherwise, Snoke seems like he might have been stingy/controlling about the training up until this point; i mean, look at Ren, he's kind of a mess.

 

It kinda begs the question, would Luke remain lost to the galaxy if Rey hadn't found him... my instinct is that he wouldn't, but as they give more of the back story in Episode 8 we'll see if he was biding his time or he really intended to disappear forever

 

As far as we know, we don't know how long he's been gone for and he could easily have been gone for mere months or whatever...it would be cooler if he was there on Ach-To to bait Kylo Ren into finding him so he could defeat Ben.

 

yeah, i have a feeling Luke's not running away so much as running to--he's trying to find something (knowledge? artifacts?) that will help him defeat Snoke.

 

That confuses me a tad...If he didn't run and hide to defeat The Emperor R why would he run from Snoke? I mean, it's sounds like something Kylo Ren would do before bowing down to him. .

 

maybe because he'd have to kill Ben to do it and he's not willing.
so he's got to incapacitate Kylo Ren (or drag him back to the Light) before he can get to Snoke.

when Luke went to Vader, he was prepared to turn Vader or die. but he knew Vader had a vested interest in him.
Kylo Ren wants to kill Luke, no two ways about it. he's not going to be able to just talk Ben down.
i think he's trying to figure out some other plan, some mystical way to reach Ben, and then some weapon or knowledge that can defeat Snoke.

i dunno. i'm just guessing. the Luke Skywalker i know wouldn't just be moping around like a hermit.
he and his sister have galactically effed up. i think he's looking for a way to fix it.

 

Maybe Luke is a part of a alrger Spec Ops. Mission to help his sister to turn Kylo back into Ben.

 

Maybe he had a vision advising him to meet someone there carrying something from his past, this was his sign to return.

 

My take on the whole Luke disappearing thing is that he simply suffered a blow to his confidence as a teacher and has therefore retreated into something familiar as a form of comfort: training himself. Naturally he must view the fall of Ben Solo and the collapse of his Jedi Order as his own failings therefore the solution would be to improve himself by learning more, self-reflecting etc. I'm sure the "first Jedi Temple" will reveal some interesting tidbits but I think the main reason Luke is there is because he's retreated into himself because he doubts his suitability for resurrecting the Jedi Order.

People have mentioned Arthurian themes in Star Wars and there are quite a few of them, especially in TFA, and I kinda saw Rey approaching Luke at the end as Arthur being called back from Avalon: Luke (Arthur) has fought Kylo (Mordred) and been wounded (psychologically not physically) consequently retreating to his watery and island filled planet of Ach-To (Avalon). Rey appearing with his old lightsaber (Excalibur) has reminded Luke of his duty to his family and to the Galaxy (Kingdom) hence the look of surprise and sadness when Rey reveals the lightsaber. He knows it's time.

But that's just my crazy interpretation.

 

doesn't seem like Luke and Leia are working together on this given the things she says in TFA.
Leia asking Han to try to bring Ben home was actually sort of spur-of-the-moment.
and she's been looking for her brother for a good while. probably since Ben turned, which was very likely years ago.

i totally agree with all of this. but with the caveat that Luke didn't intend to just vanish forever. now that it's been confirmed that he's only been in exile for 5 or 6 years or thereabouts, i believe that he went because he needed time in meditation to think about what to do (and again, look for answers).

i can't imagine Luke just giving up. and i also agree that his look of sadness is resignation that it's time to return even though he's likely not found the answers he was seeking yet.

 

That's great, I enjoyed that

 

...that must have been some spur of the moment death for Han lol but he reason I said that was that we don't know anything as of yet and as you said, we can't imagine Luke giving up but if he was on that island for a secret mission similar to Leia in ROTJ to save his nephew, it makes sense in my head because if Kylo does find him Kylo will be tried to talk down from the dark side/Snoke before drastic actions are taken and Ben duels anyone else.

 

i'm sure Luke is considering how to reduce the collateral damage ~ yeah.
which is all the more reason i want to see their battle erupt in a crowded metropolis instead of some isolated rampart or island or destroyer bowel. hahaha

 

It would be cool to see them duel on Bespin and Kylo lose his hand in the exact same way as Luke in ESB to tie everything together, including Rey's vision, into a nice package .

 

Has that been confirmed now? Cool. So was Kylo like 23 or thereabouts when he fell to the dark side or was it a bit later? I'm assuming Bloodlines doesn't tell us when Luke's order is destroyed.

I entirely agree with you on Luke not intending to vanish forever but I was more going for the angle that Luke was trying to improve himself but kept putting off going to engage with the crisis in the galaxy. Probably telling himself he wasn't ready yet but essentially unconsciously delaying his departure.

 

Luke Skywalker's academy was probably destroyed by The KOR and Kylo and and all shortly after Bloodlines happens since Ben and Skywalker are on a mission during the book.

 

i think Bloodline more or less confirms that Kylo Ren emerged sometime in the last 6 years. it's implied that it probably happened shortly after the events of the book. i guess there's always wiggle room to say it happened before or longer after, but this seems to be what the book is suggesting.

it's perhaps debatable whether Luke realizes the depth of the crisis (unless he's felt it through the Force ~ because of the Hosnian thing). prior to Starkiller, it seems like the only disaster Luke would have been trying to cope with was Ben and the destruction of his efforts to raise the new Jedi.

too many questions still about what he knows about Snoke, when he found out and/or attached Snoke to the FO, etc.

because of Bloodline, it does feel a lot less like Luke turned his back on the galaxy. it's clear from the book that he was keeping his nose out of the political sphere and focusing on the Force anyway.