1. Due to the increased amount of spam bots on the forum, we are strengthening our defenses. You may experience a CAPTCHA challenge from time to time.
    Dismiss Notice
  2. Notification emails are working properly again. Please check your email spam folder and if you see any emails from the Cantina there, make sure to mark them as "Not Spam". This will help a lot to whitelist the emails and to stop them going to spam.
    Dismiss Notice
  3. IMPORTANT! To be able to create new threads and rate posts, you need to have at least 30 posts in The Cantina.
    Dismiss Notice
  4. Before posting a new thread, check the list with similar threads that will appear when you start typing the thread's title.
    Dismiss Notice
Spam Control Cantina Notification Emails Create Threads and Rate Posts Similar Threads

Official Luke Skywalker Episode VIII Discussion Thread

Discussion in 'Star Wars: The Last Jedi' started by nightangel, Aug 25, 2016.

Tags:
Page 44 of 56
  1. MagnarTheGreat

    MagnarTheGreat Jedi General

    Joined:
    Sep 7, 2014
    Posts:
    6,074
    Likes Received:
    9,090
    Trophy Points:
    144,614
    Credits:
    10,244
    Ratings:
    +17,698 / 314 / -187
    #861 MagnarTheGreat, Dec 4, 2017
    • Informative Informative x 4
    • Like Like x 2
  2. Julius Fett

    Julius Fett Force Sensitive

    Joined:
    Jun 12, 2016
    Posts:
    1,234
    Likes Received:
    2,688
    Trophy Points:
    11,167
    Credits:
    4,942
    Ratings:
    +4,168 / 21 / -4
    I — we — love Mark Hamill. I love — I mean, we all love! — his portrayals of Luke Skywalker in the original trilogy, but there was always something, at least to me, that was holding him back from delivering a galaxy-shattering performance.

    Just reading this...his attitude towards portraying Luke is so very different now to when he was last portraying him (in a leading role) some 34 years ago in ROTJ.

    This is a serious level of commitment, almost like method acting, from a side that I don’t think that we’ve previously seen from Mark in the Star Wars films.

    This makes me all the more excited to see his portrayal of Luke in The Last Jedi; I really do think that we’re in for something truly special!
     
    #862 Julius Fett, Dec 4, 2017
    • Like Like x 2
    • Hopeful Hopeful x 1
  3. Bimboo

    Bimboo Clone Commander

    Joined:
    May 14, 2016
    Posts:
    96
    Likes Received:
    162
    Trophy Points:
    442
    Credits:
    718
    Ratings:
    +259 / 0 / -0
    #863 Bimboo, Dec 4, 2017
  4. MagnarTheGreat

    MagnarTheGreat Jedi General

    Joined:
    Sep 7, 2014
    Posts:
    6,074
    Likes Received:
    9,090
    Trophy Points:
    144,614
    Credits:
    10,244
    Ratings:
    +17,698 / 314 / -187
     
    #864 MagnarTheGreat, Dec 4, 2017
    • Like Like x 2
  5. MagnarTheGreat

    MagnarTheGreat Jedi General

    Joined:
    Sep 7, 2014
    Posts:
    6,074
    Likes Received:
    9,090
    Trophy Points:
    144,614
    Credits:
    10,244
    Ratings:
    +17,698 / 314 / -187
     
    #865 MagnarTheGreat, Dec 5, 2017
    • Like Like x 3
  6. Bendak Starkiller

    Bendak Starkiller Force Sensitive

    Joined:
    Sep 4, 2016
    Posts:
    917
    Likes Received:
    5,240
    Trophy Points:
    14,242
    Credits:
    4,121
    Ratings:
    +5,989 / 14 / -2
    I look forward to seeing Luke back in action soon.
     
    #866 Bendak Starkiller, Dec 5, 2017
    • Like Like x 3
  7. MagnarTheGreat

    MagnarTheGreat Jedi General

    Joined:
    Sep 7, 2014
    Posts:
    6,074
    Likes Received:
    9,090
    Trophy Points:
    144,614
    Credits:
    10,244
    Ratings:
    +17,698 / 314 / -187
    #867 MagnarTheGreat, Dec 5, 2017
    • Like Like x 2
  8. MagnarTheGreat

    MagnarTheGreat Jedi General

    Joined:
    Sep 7, 2014
    Posts:
    6,074
    Likes Received:
    9,090
    Trophy Points:
    144,614
    Credits:
    10,244
    Ratings:
    +17,698 / 314 / -187
     
    #868 MagnarTheGreat, Dec 6, 2017
  9. Dra---

    Dra--- Rebel General

    Joined:
    Jul 5, 2016
    Posts:
    214
    Likes Received:
    343
    Trophy Points:
    4,092
    Credits:
    1,164
    Ratings:
    +628 / 134 / -121
    I feel bad for Hamill. Rian Johnson is turning an iconic character into a loser just to prop up the new characters. He didn't need to go that way. Luke could have been down but still trying to fix things. That's more complex than just giving up.
     
    #869 Dra---, Dec 6, 2017
    • Disagree Disagree x 2
    • Like Like x 1
    • Hopeful Hopeful x 1
    • Clouded Clouded x 1
  10. TheBBP

    TheBBP Jedi Commander

    Joined:
    Jul 7, 2015
    Posts:
    1,828
    Likes Received:
    8,397
    Trophy Points:
    86,942
    Credits:
    7,391
    Ratings:
    +11,016 / 56 / -13
    It's a bit early to claim all of that.
     
    #870 TheBBP, Dec 6, 2017
    • Like Like x 4
    • Hopeful Hopeful x 2
    • Clouded Clouded x 1
  11. Dra---

    Dra--- Rebel General

    Joined:
    Jul 5, 2016
    Posts:
    214
    Likes Received:
    343
    Trophy Points:
    4,092
    Credits:
    1,164
    Ratings:
    +628 / 134 / -121
    This is what a lot of Rian fans like to say, but it's not true at all. We already have Hamill spilling the beans multiple times that Luke starts off TLJ as a cranky old failure. We know that his Jedi were destroyed and that he's exiled himself -- Mark uses those words and so does the advertising.

    And that all matches with what we see in the trailers. So it's a bit early why?

    Rian fans like to say that this will be a great arc, and I say who cares? We could design a number of good arcs and none of them need to start off by making Luke a total failure. It's poor writing on Rian's part.
     
    #871 Dra---, Dec 6, 2017
    Last edited: Dec 6, 2017
    • Disagree x 2
    • Like x 1
    • Informative x 1
    • Hopeful x 1
    • Clouded x 1
  12. Fearghas_Ajax

    Fearghas_Ajax Force Sensitive

    Joined:
    Apr 21, 2015
    Posts:
    1,427
    Likes Received:
    2,644
    Trophy Points:
    10,967
    Credits:
    4,202
    Ratings:
    +4,146 / 27 / -18
    I would have to disagree. I think it is difficult to lay judgement on Rian's writing, story, plot, and acting BEFORE the movie is even released and seen. We know little of the overall story, arc, and character transitions from beginning to end for any of them. Trailers are just bits and pieces of the story. They are not necessarily in chronological order nor does dialog voice overs have to match the scene. Anything before seeing the movie is just speculations and assumptions. IMO.
     
    #872 Fearghas_Ajax, Dec 6, 2017
    • Great Post Great Post x 4
    • Like Like x 2
    • Unoriginal Unoriginal x 1
  13. Dra---

    Dra--- Rebel General

    Joined:
    Jul 5, 2016
    Posts:
    214
    Likes Received:
    343
    Trophy Points:
    4,092
    Credits:
    1,164
    Ratings:
    +628 / 134 / -121
    But we're not just talking about the trailer. We're talking about what Mark Hamill says and all the interview/article material. It's no secret that they're starting off Luke as failure-exile Luke. Why Rian fans keep denying this is the real question. As always, the answer is people don't like to admit the truth when they've already decided ahead of time that everything is awesome.

    I'll say it again -- it does not matter to me if Luke has a good arc. They've already proven themselves to be lazy, dull thinkers by starting Luke off in the position he's in. It's not even dramatic; it's just dumb.
     
    #873 Dra---, Dec 6, 2017
    • Clouded x 2
    • Like x 1
    • Informative x 1
    • Disagree x 1
    • Dislike x 1
  14. Stormagadon

    Stormagadon Cantina Court Jester
    Staff Member

    Joined:
    Dec 1, 2014
    Posts:
    2,778
    Likes Received:
    29,668
    Trophy Points:
    154,567
    Credits:
    3,866
    Ratings:
    +32,478 / 17 / -6
    I'm really not seeing Luke being a failure, I'm seeing that he couldn't save or help Kyle/Ben. There's a difference between doing everything right and it not going correctly that failing*. Failing implies that Luke messed up in some form.
    Now, keep in mind that when Hamill talks, he's speaking from the perspective of getting inside the emotions of the character. He made up an elaborate backstory, that to me, and I'm many others, are glad that it's not true. Simply the gist of what he's saying is correct. To Hamill, Luke "feels" that he failed Kylo Ren. That doesn't mean he has, and that to me is very consistent with the character of Luke Skywalker. If he has failed or messed up, he's going to find a way to fix it.
    The point is that he didn't mess up, and we're going to see how he's going to wrestle with that.

    *"If Luke couldn't save him, how could I?" -Han Solo
    "Kylo failed you, I won't." -Rey
    Note, neither one of those imply that Luke failed, because the responsible party is Kylo.
     
    #874 Stormagadon, Dec 6, 2017
    • Like Like x 4
    • Great Post Great Post x 1
  15. MagnarTheGreat

    MagnarTheGreat Jedi General

    Joined:
    Sep 7, 2014
    Posts:
    6,074
    Likes Received:
    9,090
    Trophy Points:
    144,614
    Credits:
    10,244
    Ratings:
    +17,698 / 314 / -187
    #875 MagnarTheGreat, Dec 6, 2017
    • Like Like x 2
    • Informative Informative x 1
  16. Pawek_13

    Pawek_13 Jedi General

    Joined:
    Nov 19, 2016
    Posts:
    3,384
    Likes Received:
    15,619
    Trophy Points:
    144,707
    Credits:
    15,356
    Ratings:
    +20,519 / 72 / -32
    How is defiance of audience's expectations considered as "lazy writing?" Making him an ultimate Force Dude-Bro without any restraints would be lazy, unimaginative and creatively arid. Rian is writing a film, not a fanfic. Also, someone didn't listen to enough Hannah Montana when it was airing, because otherwise he would have remembered this masterpiece. :p
     
    #876 Pawek_13, Dec 6, 2017
    • Like Like x 4
    • Wise Wise x 1
  17. MagnarTheGreat

    MagnarTheGreat Jedi General

    Joined:
    Sep 7, 2014
    Posts:
    6,074
    Likes Received:
    9,090
    Trophy Points:
    144,614
    Credits:
    10,244
    Ratings:
    +17,698 / 314 / -187
    Rolling Stone - 14 Things We Learned About 'Star Wars: The Last Jedi'

    http://www.rollingstone.com/movies/features/star-wars-the-last-jedi-14-things-we-learned-w513392
     
    #877 MagnarTheGreat, Dec 6, 2017
    • Like Like x 2
    • Informative Informative x 2
  18. michaea

    michaea Rebelscum

    Joined:
    Dec 2, 2014
    Posts:
    95
    Likes Received:
    146
    Trophy Points:
    987
    Credits:
    843
    Ratings:
    +265 / 14 / -3
    At this point I think I have heard every possible outcome for every main character described as lazy writing by someone.

    I think calling something lazy writing is lazy writing.

    Oh, wait...
     
    #878 michaea, Dec 6, 2017
    • Funny Funny x 4
    • Like Like x 3
    • Clouded Clouded x 1
  19. TheBBP

    TheBBP Jedi Commander

    Joined:
    Jul 7, 2015
    Posts:
    1,828
    Likes Received:
    8,397
    Trophy Points:
    86,942
    Credits:
    7,391
    Ratings:
    +11,016 / 56 / -13
    Not my head-canon = Lazy writing.

    That's how it works.
     
    #879 TheBBP, Dec 6, 2017
    • Like Like x 3
    • Funny Funny x 2
    • Trolling Trolling x 1
  20. Julius Fett

    Julius Fett Force Sensitive

    Joined:
    Jun 12, 2016
    Posts:
    1,234
    Likes Received:
    2,688
    Trophy Points:
    11,167
    Credits:
    4,942
    Ratings:
    +4,168 / 21 / -4
    Idk, that seems like lazy writing to me...

    ;)
     
    #880 Julius Fett, Dec 6, 2017
    • Funny Funny x 5
(You must log in or sign up to post here.)
Page 44 of 56
Loading...
Similar Threads
  1. DailyPlunge

    Official Luke Skywalker Episode IX Discussion Thread

    DailyPlunge, Jan 13, 2018, in forum: Star Wars: The Rise of Skywalker
    Replies:
    128
    Views:
    11,984
    Logray Ewok Medicine Man
    Sep 12, 2019
  2. ChillySCR

    Luke spotted in official trialer in more than one scene?

    ChillySCR, Oct 27, 2015, in forum: Star Wars: The Force Awakens
    Replies:
    21
    Views:
    3,969
    BobaBacca
    Dec 5, 2015
  3. Viral Hide

    Official Luke Skywalker: The Force Awakens Thread

    Viral Hide, Aug 13, 2015, in forum: Star Wars: The Force Awakens
    Replies:
    206
    Views:
    19,553
    TIDMADT
    Aug 19, 2015
  4. Grand Admiral Kraum

    OFFICIAL LUKE SKYWALKER DISCUSSION THREAD

    Grand Admiral Kraum, Mar 3, 2015, in forum: Star Wars: The Force Awakens
    Replies:
    1,506
    Views:
    113,724
    Grand Master Galen Marek
    Apr 11, 2016
  5. SWNN Probe

    The Acolyte Official Trailer and Poster Released, Episodic Directors and Two-Episode Premiere Confirmed

    SWNN Probe, Mar 19, 2024, in forum: SWNN News Feed
    Replies:
    1
    Views:
    1,035
    SWNN Probe
    Mar 19, 2024

Share This Page