Official Rey Episode VIII thread

Thanks for that info. I haven't gotten around to the new books or anything as of yet.

 

Your Welcome. Most of them are some pretty good reads if you get the chance.

 

I'm doubling down on my belief that Rey is Rey Solo. Back on the TFN forums, before TFA was released, I argued often for Rey Solo, but many assumed that since that was not revealed in TFA, that it's not very probable an option.

I disagree. Let's imagine for a moment that 8 or 9 reveals her to be a Solo. Rewatching TFA will be full of tragic ironic moments. For example, Rey's reaction to watching Kylo kill Han will now contain the tragic feel of a daughter unknowingly witnessing her brother killing her father. Or later when Leia hugs Rey when she returns from Starkiller, and they share a moment of pain over Han's death; that scene will now resonate with the feeling of a mother and daughter mourning the death of a family member.

So, in a nutshell, here is my theory:

According to the timeline being established by the EU, it appears that Han and Leia suffered some kind of family tragedy years before Kylo destroys Luke's new Jedi. I'm thinking this tragedy had something to do with Ben and little sister "Rey." Who knows what her real name is (although if Ben is named after Kenobi, perhaps Rey also was named after someone close to the Solo family?)

We know that Han and Leia have many enemies. Hutts, Snoke, countless others. One of these enemies may have tried to kill Ben and Rey, or kidnap them, and during this incident, Ben takes some action to save him and Rey, but it somehow goes wrong, and he thinks, everybody thinks, Rey is killed.

In truth, Rey is kidnapped and left by Han and Leia's enemy on Jakku, in the cold care of their criminal ally Unkar Plutt.

This may also explain the presence of the Falcon on Jakku, which Han tells us has been missing for years, and apparently also missing prior to Ben's transformation into Kylo.

It's possible that when Han alludes to the search for the "Falcon," he is also subtextually referring to his search for Rey. In other words, whoever kidnapped Rey did so in the Falcon, but then sells it to Plutt and leaves Jakku in another ship.

That Rey remembers in the Forceback a man saying he'll "be back, sweetheart," is just her constructed, fragmented memory of her father Han Solo, not actually leaving her on Jakku, but just a vague memory of her father imbued with the desire of wanting him to return to her.

That Rey is a Solo explains why Kylo seems to recognize her or sense something familiar about her. It also helps to explain why Kylo falls to the darkside. Remember how Kylo tells Han that he was a weak and foolish son? This is a reference to Kylo's perceived failure to save Rey when they were young. This belief that it's his fault Rey is gone makes Kylo obsessed with power. He never wants to feel weak and foolish again; he wants revenge on whoever took Rey from them. In fact, Han also may have blamed Kylo for losing Rey, which would explain why Han returns to smuggling around this time, searching for Rey and the Falcon even though he thinks she's dead. This feeling of blame is why Kylo tells Rey in TFA that Han really wasn't the perfect father. He would have "disappointed you." And although we all like Han, it's easy to understand his anger at Ben if he perceived Ben was responsible in some way for Rey's death.

So the major dramatic conflict for the rest of the ST will center around Rey, who wants to be reunited with her family more than anything, but realizing that her brother is the evil Kylo Ren whom she fears, who has tortured her and killed her father, who she will now never be able to be reunited with.

Can she forgive Kylo Ren? How will he react upon learning that his sister was never really dead? How will Leia factor into all of this, and what kind of a father figure and mentor will Luke become to her? I think those are all really interesting dramatic questions, and it does open a path of redemption for Kylo, which I personally didn't think possible.

EDIT: Kylo and Rey being siblings also explains how she is able to turn the tables on him during his mind probe. Because they have a special connection, she's able to enter his mind fairly easily.

 

Yeah lol, that's basically along the lines of what I've been saying in scattering of posts.

 

Yeah, I've been wanting to support your views on TFN, but I'm currently banned.

Your recent arguments made me think about how Rey Solo ties pretty much everything together. I didn't know you were a poster here, or I would have given you credit for my argument above.

Don't you agree that rewatching TFA while knowing that Rey is a Solo would make the film much more powerful than it already is?

 

The girl he wants to throw out in an escape pod ? Sweet dad. Kylo Ren made the right move to kill him then.

 

It's dramatic irony. It's like Oedipus who didn't realize he was killing his own father.

 

Oh ...

Sorry I don't buy it. In the whole novels, there is not one line about Leia having a second kid.

 

There's not one line in Star Wars (1977) about Leia and Luke and Vader all being relatives.

Have you read Aftermath? The first book has Han and Chewie and Leia in it and none of them talk/think about Han and Leia being married or Leia being pregnant. Han rashly takes off with Chewie to go free Kashyyyk.

In the immediate follow-up book Aftermath Life Debt, Han and Leia are now noted as married right after ROTJ and that Leia is pregnant. And

Spoiler

Leia does have a dream about having children like Padme.

They are directly withholding certain key story points from the books before the movies do their thing. Best case scenario is that a reader might get some seeds or foreshadowing in the book segment of the canon. Hidalgo said that the narrative weight will be with the movies and not with the books. Why? Nobody reads books compared to watches the movies.

 

I think it brings absolutely nothing to the story.

This is old cook.

 

I think it adds a lot to the conflict between Kylo and Rey. Not only because they are siblings, but also possibly because he may have turned to the darkside early on because he thinks he was responsible for her death.

With Rey, it raises the problem of what how to approach Kylo. If he's not her brother, killing him is a simple choice. However, if Rey's greatest desire is to be with her family, then what does she do if Kylo is her brother?

So I can understand if some people don't like this possibility, but it doesn't make sense to claim it adds nothing to the story.

 

I completely agree @Dra--- the emotional conflict Rey being Kylo sibling brings is one which not only affects her emotionally and physically BUT also Luke and Leia. Her realizing that the family she always wanted had always been there, but then was shattered by her brother who she at one time feared and believes to be a villaneous killing monster actually killed her father is a great way to allow Luke to be involved and rise back to the Jedi Master we all believe him to be and hopefully guide Rey to understand the force (within the Skywalker family) isn't a curse (by her views of Darth Vader & Kylo Ren) but that her path is one which she can choose just like Luke, and Leia.

 

He killed his dad, he tried to blow up the planet of his mother ? He searches his uncle to kill him too.

He's gonna stop for what ?

 

Well, what if you thought you did something, like kill your little sister, and this mistake led you to great self-loathing and hatred, so much so that you essentially become an evil person.

But then you discover that that original mistake wasn't what you thought it was, and the path you've gone down was unnecessary?

That creates an opening for Kylo to question whether he really should be that evil man he's become.

 

It would be a huge twist if Ben hid his sister from the good people instead of like Luke and Leia was hidden from Vader and the Empire the bad guys.

Before seeimg TFA I believed Rey would be Luke's daughter, but after I seen it I believed she is in fact a Solo.

How, What happened and Why are the mystery. She's been solo on Jakku for quite awhile, so people don't remember her so easily. But Kylo does seem to know who she is. Itis even hinted at in the Novel according to people that have read it.

Think about it. Vader was face to face with Leia and she was his daughter. It wasn't til Vader sensed Luke and finally revealing himself to be Luke's father was the awe of what we thought we knew.

I agree. It's there in subtle hints. She is a Solo.

 

And, as I posted in the other forum, to add to Dra's orginal post:


And let me further add that that's why Daisy Ridley was allowed to keep her accent-To further throw people off of the trail of who Rey is and to show that Rey was with someone who had that accent for many years.

And let me furthermore add that when Han reunited with Leia, he mentioned his son, and then the scene with them stops. Perhaps, he mentioned that, Ben took Rey. At some point offscreen, we know that Han mentioned Rey to Leia. Perhaps that was that time.


This is the best theory, by far, that I've seen that supports the Solo theory. And it is the best theory of her parentage that I've seen. I've bought it completely. I'm on board with this.

 

If Rey does turn out to be Kylo's sister, then one way for Kylo to eventually turn against Snoke would be for Snoke to try to seduce Rey to the dark side and to discard Kylo in the process. Kylo may then accept the truth (as Han had told him) that Snoke did not care for him, and then perhaps his awakened desire to prevent his sister from repeating his mistakes could be the key to pull him back to the light side.

Kylo and Rey being siblings would also raise the stake for Luke. He had already failed with his nephew. Could he risk failing again with his niece? (Although Rey being Luke's daughter would also raise the stake for Luke.)

BTW, it's ironic that in the prequels, attachment led to the dark side, but in the ST, it was Kylo's attempt to cut off his attachment that led him further along toward the dark side.

 

Furthermore if they do end up siblings the ultimate redemption since we brought that up. Could be about Luke. Luke failed in some manner with Ben, but does he feel he failed Leia and Han as well?, his love for them may lead him to eventually sacrifice himself to protect either Ben and/or Rey from Snoke and allowing Ben to turn (even if Rey is his child)

I still believe Luke's fate is tied to Ben Solo not Rey (Solo/Random/Skywalker) The irony with Rey being Leia's daughter is thick in emotion, and lineage. We were feed "No there is another..." I know we got Ben Solo but did we really get Ben Solo.

Rey Solo just seems so right to me still. IMO