Poe Dameron is Force Sensitive

Well, if you cut out Poe's capture and torture and then made him the main character (i.e. give him a massive increase in screen time) and he almost certainly would be a Mary Sue (or Marty Stu whatever the hell they call them) or at least "overpowered". It is my understanding that being a Mary Sue requires certain character relationships in addition to being ludicrously talented.

With the greatest respect to Lucas (well at least a little) that is ridiculous.

"Hey dude, you want to learn how to move things with your mind, run really fast, jump incredible distances and dodge bullets?"

"Nah, a new Game of Thrones season has just come out."

OR (more realistically)

"So we're raising a new intergalactic military, do you think we should make "learning how to be psychic super soldiers" a major part of the training curriculum?"

"No, give them shiny armour that doesn't do anything and teach them only how to shoot a blaster"

"Not even for the special forces?"

"No, just change the colour of their armour."

I think there's a pretty good reason why Lucas went back on those words when he made the prequels.

 

Hmmm...Rey was captured too

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I support this wholeheartedly

(Raising interesting questions is my forté. The fact it happens by accident most of the time is just a bonus. I must be strong with the Force....or something....like using waaaaay too many question marks )

 

Yes my friend you are correct as I too think that for the moment, Disney has the chance to maintain a better sense of canon than before but we also must keep in mind that Disney is just starting. We will have to see if after 10 or 15 years we can say the same as this is a very hard thing to do and even more so after many stories are made year after year of certain characters. Keeping tabs on the events now is real easy seeing what little material we have. If I want to know about Sarco Plank all I have to do is google him and then read Weapon of a Jedi and it's impossible for me to screw up canon. Same goes with Sidon Ithano. All I need is TFA, google and The Crimson Corsair and the LostTreasure of Count Dooku and I'm set but what would have happened if Sarco and Sidon had reached the style of fame that Boba Fett reached and stories in books, comics, video games and cartoons started pouring all over? Would Disney be able to maintain a perfect canon after the character has been popular for 20 years or more?

I'm pretty sure that after all those years things may get a little jumbled up. That said though I will say that I don't defend every single aspect of the old canon as I used to hate that they tried to make canon every single thing with a SW logo that came out no matter how absurd it was and even if it made no logic.

 

Maybe to summarize this thread so far,it is hard to say is Poe Dameron Force sensitive, I believe not but we can not be sure.

But let us look from this perspective: Would it be good for Han Solo character if he was made Force sensitive ?

I think not. I feel the same for Poe.

 

don't get some peoples obsession with needing everyone to be force sensitive!

 

Maybe they make all major positive characters Force sensitive and than Snoke to be Force resistant so we have even greater drama than between Qui Gon Jinn and Watto.

 

I don't think eveyrone needs to be force sensitive, and I like the point made by @McDiarmid regarding Han Solo and force sensitivity.

There are a couple of reasons I personally favour more force sensitives in the story.... but before I go into them, let me clarify that even if I think we'll get more force sensitives, I don't think they will upstage Luke, Rey, Kylo or Snoke in any way....the lightsaber fight scenes and force power displays in the ST will only involve these four.

In case Finn or Poe for example, is force sensitive, I just see it happening as a brief eureka moment for each of them over the next two films and an implication that they will end up joining the new order by the end of the trilogy....with any force related adventures being dealt with in a later book, comic, game or anthology movie.

Now for my reasons:

- I like the idea of the force not just belonging to one family, and maybe one or two people in a galaxy of billions. The jedi order itself had 10,000 members before order 66 so force sensitivity cannot just vanish from the galaxy entirely....the jedi in particular are meant to bring hope and light to the galaxy. It just makes sense for the force to guide potential jedi candidates towards causes like the Resistance and to eventually train with Luke (or even Rey) ...after all, Snoke did say the New Jedi will rise when Skywalker returns....I find it hard to believe the new jedi just means Rey (and maybe a redeemed Kylo if they take that story direction).

- There is the EU nostalgia factor. When Luke set up his praxium, he had a lot of students and many of them had independent adventures...while Luke's order has been destroyed in canon so far, in case he or Rey re-build an order, it would be boring to have later books covering the adventures of Luke and Rey only. There need to be more students so that we get more force related stories.

Now if Finn and Poe aren't force sensitive and just talented guys, I can live with that too if the story is good...but it is much simpler to make popular characters like them (who movie audience know already) force sensitive and deal with this in later media rather than just make some unknown characters force sensitive in books and comics and get them trained by Luke...the emotional investment is a lot less.

 

Haha, I'm not sure your want to use that moment as a comparison.

I mean Poe was brutally tortured and gave up information to Kylo, Rey overpowered a trained Force User in a "mind reading" struggle and then displayed Force abilities that only fully trained Jedi have displayed previously. It's probably one of her most contentious moments.

 

I was reffering to another thread with this comment, sorry a bit of an inside joke

What does contentious mean?

 

Ah okay, the Finn thread?

I shall provide you with the dictionary definition:

 

No. Thats a serious thread. I was refering to a parody one 'is rey a mary sue?' i think...i forgot really...sometimes im not serious.. specially in unserious threads like this one is.
(Had to check to make sure if we are in a 'poe is a fs' one. If by any chance you are a genuine believer of poe's force sensitivity then i best excuse myself from talking i might offend you inadvertently )

Controversial moments of kylo's evilnes you mean? Nope. Poe was being cocky with no back up. Kylo just showed him his place

 

No, I'm not a firm believer in Poe being FS. A possibility? Sure, but I don't think they're going that route. Although, I think the initial prototype character that would become Poe was a Jedi, maybe someone else can confirm?

Forgive me if this is a joke (humour is so had to get on the internet) but I meant it was a controversial moment in regards to Rey's character. The controversial moment being the display of Force abilities that were at best unexpected or at worst ridiculous.

 

I hope they are not going this route. But...there was a post by someone somewhere else how midichlorians are a part of every living being and depending on the ammount of it some are considered lucky...others gifted/intuitive...and those with highest levels can be jedis. I think he probably has more than normal but not enough to be a jedi or actively manipulate the Force

I was conpletely serious. In a joking manner in an unserious thread
I disagree about calling Rey a Mary Sue on this one. One feels the Force. It's a thing that is known in an instant...like enlightenment. There is no knowledge and then you just know it. The Jedis needed training because no one could show it to them. Yoda couldnt mind read?They had to reveal how the force works themselves. Rey...Rey was shown...shown how it works...during interogation and the final fight...and their Force Bond I saw formed. So to me...no controversies. Poe is not a FS and Rey is strong with the Force. Would there be no Force connection here then i would agree about her learning all this being ludicrous.

 

It would probably work out like that. I'm not particularly attached to Poe being FS but I would like other Force Users outside of Kylo, Rey, Luke, Leia and Snoke to be present in the trilogy (Maz barely counts).

Woah there, I didn't call Rey a Mary Sue. I have heard the "mind reading learning" theory in regards to Rey's rapid abilities but I find it quite difficult to place in the story. After all, I am expected to believe that mind reading is a skill unique to Kylo? And, if it is not, that previous Jedi didn't think about teaching others simply by sharing knowledge mentally?

No, I suspect Rey could do what she did because they (the writers) needed her to and they won't expand on the how.

 

Tbh...i dont care much about non skywalker force sensitives. I dont mind it but Im firmly in the camp of 'no Skywalkers=no SW'. I like Ahsoka....or OB1...and would love to see them again...or his grandkid

That are excellent questions. Perhaps thats where the Jedi failed? I think its more to mind reading between them. Rey and Kylo. Mind reading is unilateral...they had a mind reading exchange. Rey is a scavenger...of knowledge as well.
Dunno...we'll see.

Lol...so true.

 

It seems to me everyone is Force-Sensitive...137 more days till we know who actually is. I think its just Rey, but hey we can all dream; nothings wrong with dreaming and speculating... Han Solo was Force-Sensitive because he was a hell of a pilot, so Poe might be too.

 

Is it wrong that I want many new jedi in the end of TLJ? I just want something new and I think that will make a difference. You know what I mean no one is waiting for a another ESB.

 

I think we need a slow movement for the new Jedi. In fact, I think that's why we don't have Luke's academy in this new trilogy.

I think we're going to start small- basically, just Luke and Rey. Then, we'll slowly expand. Maybe not to anything resembling the prequels, but something more than we see in the OT, for sure.

I could see this going two ways-

1. As the trilogy progresses, we slowly meet more FS characters (or, at the risk of causing a hernia in some fans, we might see existing characters be revealed as FS)

2. We basically just stick with Luke and Rey (and Kylo) in this trilogy, then in a subsequent trilogy we'll expand on the rebirth of the order.

 

I could live with that

 

People say that if they stick to one main character being the Jedi figure, they would essentially remake Episode V and the obvious solution would be to put more Jedi in it. But if they go in this direction, then instead of drawing from Episode V we would get inspirations from Episode II. Heck, if Luke survives TLJ (and he probably will,) the dynamic between him and Rey will probably be considered by some to be a "rehash" of Obi-wan-Anakin repport from Episode III. We are eight films and forty years into the Star Wars saga and at this point avoiding similarities to previous iterations is impossible. I don't say that everything from now on will just be a repackaging of old ideas, but some similarities will be unavoidable and people need to accept them. Also, people need to remember that Prequels do exist and there are many ideas in them that some consider to be unexplored.